john-brennan
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Nicely done Chuck
270 vs 280. thoughts?
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Nicely done Chuck
and in BC a 270 will make the cut
The 280AI out preforms the 7-08 , 270,280, 30-06 308 hand loaded with a 160 gr AB to 3050 FPS mv gives you 3000 lbs energy at the muzzle none of the mentioned will achieve these specs . Recoil is manageable . I use a brake at the range and not in the field . In this day and age if you are still baseing your hunting cartridge on buying ammo at the corner store well don’t know what to say about that . . All that bring said any of the above will kill any deer moose or elk out to 300 yds effectively
I beg to differ with this statement. The 30-06, properly loaded will exceed 3000 ft/lb of energy with 150, 165, 180, 200 & 220 grain bullets. In fact, the 180 at 2850 [a realistic velocity in the 30-06 with several powders] develops well over 3200 ft/lbs, the 200 at 2730 is over 3300 ft lbs. Dave.
Unfortunately this isn't entirely accurate...
BC requires a 175 gr bullet maintaining 2000 ft-lbs of energy at 100m to be used for bison. Most 270 loads do not meet this requirement. Not saying that specialty bullets cannot be loaded to this level, but most common 270 bullets and/or ammunition or handloads will not meet this requirement.
BeaverMeat
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.280 is .010 better...
Yes, and we routinely load several 30-06 rifles to those levels with good accuracy, tight primer pockets, and good case life.
Ted
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Well Woodleigh makes a 180gr Weldcore in .277" and you can load them to around 2650 fps from a 22" barrel, such a load would hit 100m with 2400 ft lbs of energy, easily making it legal. 2000 ft lbs would come at 230 yards. I didn't say that you could buy this ammo at Walmart, but you can easily assemble such a load.
For the record there is no current factory ammo in the 280 that will meet requirements either
RJ
.277x.284 = .007
NICE Elk ! That you chuck about 40 or so years ago ?RJ
15 years old man.
Ironically, this is a 30-06.
Rifle Shape and Noise affect felt recoil
If you want more "power" the question is going to be more about the rifle shape and fit than about the cartridge.
I met a hunter who couldn't stand his 7mm Rem Mag. He's a large guy 6'3" and had no previous aversion to heavy recoiling rifles. Several of his friends who shoot 300 and 338 magnums tried it and they all said that 7mm was the harshest recoiling rifle of the bunch. I wasn't there so I can't say if it was the fit or the stock geometry but the fact that it was a 7mmRemMag wasn't the crucial factor in the recoil. I have shot several rifles in standard (270/30-06) chamberings that felt worse than some of the 300 Magnums I've shot. I know a guy who swears his 30-06 is the hardest recoiling rifle because he "scoped" himself which is a case of a badly set-up rifle not actual recoil.
I have 2 rifles that generate more recoil than my Rem700 7-08 but they both have a very different stock shape from the Rem. There is little to no difference in felt recoil however one of them will never be shot without hearing protection again. I have a friend who has a severe dislike for recoil and he didn't like my 7-08 until I put a limbsaver recoil pad on it.
Some factors that often affect felt recoil are: rifle weight(lighter=more recoil); noise(possibly the biggest factor); the length of pull(too long or short); the drop of the stock(affects muzzle rise/jump); shape of the comb/cheekrest; the wrist/grip area(if it doesn't feel good you can be trading rifle control vs trigger control); shape of fore-end(narrow profiles can be hard to grip and control the rifle); tensing up your body for the shot(snug vs firm vs death grip); scope too far forward/back(craning your neck is not good neither is getting "scoped")
Muzzle rise/jump is not a bad thing, it is why my 2 more powerful rifles don't seem to kick harder than my 7-08. No rise/jump can be a priority to the Long Range crowd so they can spot their hits through their scope(also aided by barrel porting and lighter cals like 6mmCreedmoor). It may be disconcerting for some but having the recoil energy lift the muzzle instead of smack your shoulder is a viable method of taming a powerful cartridge.
Make sure you double up on hearing protection. Noise has as much or more to do with a flinch than the impact to your shoulder. My uncle(also a shooter) ran jobsite hearing tests for several years and he warned me that the blast of a rifle can still be at unsafe hearing levels by just ear muffs or plugs. On his advice I started wearing muffs and plugs together and long days at the range are more bearable especially around short barreled magnums or rifles with brakes.
If you can get together with friends who have different rifles in more powerful than 7-08 chamberings give them all a try 1 shot only if you don't like it and 3 if you don't mind it. Measure your LOP, it's helpful to know before you buy or shoot that a 14-1/4" LOP is going to have you contorting your neck while 13-3/4" is going to come to your shoulder like it was custom made for you.
Give some different rifles with a variety of stock styles a try you might find something that fits great and the chambering is not a big deal. I'll bet somewhere out there is a 300WM or 338WM that you'd think was a real sweetheart to shoot.
Willy
If you want more "power" the question is going to be more about the rifle shape and fit than about the cartridge.
I met a hunter who couldn't stand his 7mm Rem Mag. He's a large guy 6'3" and had no previous aversion to heavy recoiling rifles. Several of his friends who shoot 300 and 338 magnums tried it and they all said that 7mm was the harshest recoiling rifle of the bunch. I wasn't there so I can't say if it was the fit or the stock geometry but the fact that it was a 7mmRemMag wasn't the crucial factor in the recoil. I have shot several rifles in standard (270/30-06) chamberings that felt worse than some of the 300 Magnums I've shot. I know a guy who swears his 30-06 is the hardest recoiling rifle because he "scoped" himself which is a case of a badly set-up rifle not actual recoil.
I have 2 rifles that generate more recoil than my Rem700 7-08 but they both have a very different stock shape from the Rem. There is little to no difference in felt recoil however one of them will never be shot without hearing protection again. I have a friend who has a severe dislike for recoil and he didn't like my 7-08 until I put a limbsaver recoil pad on it.
Some factors that often affect felt recoil are: rifle weight(lighter=more recoil); noise(possibly the biggest factor); the length of pull(too long or short); the drop of the stock(affects muzzle rise/jump); shape of the comb/cheekrest; the wrist/grip area(if it doesn't feel good you can be trading rifle control vs trigger control); shape of fore-end(narrow profiles can be hard to grip and control the rifle); tensing up your body for the shot(snug vs firm vs death grip); scope too far forward/back(craning your neck is not good neither is getting "scoped")
Muzzle rise/jump is not a bad thing, it is why my 2 more powerful rifles don't seem to kick harder than my 7-08. No rise/jump can be a priority to the Long Range crowd so they can spot their hits through their scope(also aided by barrel porting and lighter cals like 6mmCreedmoor). It may be disconcerting for some but having the recoil energy lift the muzzle instead of smack your shoulder is a viable method of taming a powerful cartridge.
Make sure you double up on hearing protection. Noise has as much or more to do with a flinch than the impact to your shoulder. My uncle(also a shooter) ran jobsite hearing tests for several years and he warned me that the blast of a rifle can still be at unsafe hearing levels by just ear muffs or plugs. On his advice I started wearing muffs and plugs together and long days at the range are more bearable especially around short barreled magnums or rifles with brakes.
If you can get together with friends who have different rifles in more powerful than 7-08 chamberings give them all a try 1 shot only if you don't like it and 3 if you don't mind it. Measure your LOP, it's helpful to know before you buy or shoot that a 14-1/4" LOP is going to have you contorting your neck while 13-3/4" is going to come to your shoulder like it was custom made for you.
Give some different rifles with a variety of stock styles a try you might find something that fits great and the chambering is not a big deal. I'll bet somewhere out there is a 300WM or 338WM that you'd think was a real sweetheart to shoot.
Willy
