270 vs 30-06

270 shoots better than 30-06 because of lower recoil.

270 shoots better than 30-06 because of lower recoil.
The same can be said of 7mm-08 vs 308.
Yes the projectile flies faster but the real magic is practical accuracy.

It's not a question of intrinsic accuracy but of simply better practical accuracy caused by a lower recoil.

If you're not conviced just spend an afternoon shooting both head to head and the result is totally obvious.

Alex
 
The reason the .270 has a reputation for flat shooting compared to the 30-06 is the use of a 130 grain bullet in the 270 and 180 grain bullet in the 06. Shoot a 165 in the 06 and a 160 in the 270 and the 06 will be the flatter shooting cartridge...

Shoot a 150 grain bullet in both rifles at the same pressures and the 06 has a higher muzzle velocity... at one point the 270 will catch up and surpass the 30-06 as far as ballistics go... but their isn't an animal that can tell the difference.
 
270 shoots better than 30-06 because of lower recoil.
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What? a 270 and 30'06 both shooting a 150 grain bullet should have identical recoil. Same parent case. Actually, the .270 MAY have slightly higher recoil because the newer chambering allows for higher pressure.

Of course a 30'06 with a 180 grain bullet will have more recoil. If that's an issue, just load a lighter bullet! It's not the 30'06's fault the .270 can't use heavy bullets! What you're describing is actually a disadvantage of the 270.

It's not a question of intrinsic accuracy but of simply better practical accuracy caused by a lower recoil.

If you're not conviced just spend an afternoon shooting both head to head and the result is totally obvious.
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I have done so and I call bulls**t. If it's true for you, I'm sure the difference is in the weight of the rifle or the fit for you. It has nothing to do with the chambering. Even if it were true, which it's not, it's irrelevant. Recoil doesn't affect accuracy. An unskilled useless shooter might if they have a huge flinch reflex and some mental block they've developed. If they're so messed up that there's a noticable difference in their shooting from their flinch in the tiny difference between the two, they should stick to .223 or 22LR.
 
Unskilled and useless shooters???:eek:

There are many good shooters that do not like recoil.Probably none as good as yourself of course.;)

But yes the difference between a .270 and a 30-06 in the same rifle would be negligible.


Idcurrie said:
What? a 270 and 30'06 both shooting a 150 grain bullet should have identical recoil. Same parent case. Actually, the .270 MAY have slightly higher recoil because the newer chambering allows for higher pressure.

Of course a 30'06 with a 180 grain bullet will have more recoil. If that's an issue, just load a lighter bullet! It's not the 30'06's fault the .270 can't use heavy bullets! What you're describing is actually a disadvantage of the 270.



I have done so and I call bulls**t. If it's true for you, I'm sure the difference is in the weight of the rifle or the fit for you. It has nothing to do with the chambering. Even if it were true, which it's not, it's irrelevant. Recoil doesn't affect accuracy. An unskilled useless shooter might if they have a huge flinch reflex and some mental block they've developed. If they're so messed up that there's a noticable difference in their shooting from their flinch in the tiny difference between the two, they should stick to .223 or 22LR.
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Idcurrie said:
What? a 270 and 30'06 both shooting a 150 grain bullet should have identical recoil. Same parent case. Actually, the .270 MAY have slightly higher recoil because the newer chambering allows for higher pressure.

Of course a 30'06 with a 180 grain bullet will have more recoil. If that's an issue, just load a lighter bullet! It's not the 30'06's fault the .270 can't use heavy bullets! What you're describing is actually a disadvantage of the 270.



I have done so and I call bulls**t. If it's true for you, I'm sure the difference is in the weight of the rifle or the fit for you. It has nothing to do with the chambering. Even if it were true, which it's not, it's irrelevant. Recoil doesn't affect accuracy. An unskilled useless shooter might if they have a huge flinch reflex and some mental block they've developed. If they're so messed up that there's a noticable difference in their shooting from their flinch in the tiny difference between the two, they should stick to .223 or 22LR.
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Simply meant that 270 130gr has lower recoil than 30-06 165gr and that 270 150gr has lower recoil than 30-06 180gr. Recoil does make a huge difference for most shooters/hunters and explains the incredible effectiveness of 7mm Mauser and 6.5x55 Swedish.

Ever wonder why women and kids get great results with 243 Win?
In revolvers, it's the same thing: 125gr 357Mag is more effective than 240gr 44Mag but this in no way means that 357Mag is more powerfull or "better" than 44Mag: it just gets the job done better for the average user (which might not be a marksman at all).

Alex
 
Simply meant that 270 130gr has lower recoil than 30-06 165gr and that 270 150gr has lower recoil than 30-06 180gr.
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DERP!

So use a lighter bullet in the 30'06! Saying, as you did, that the 270 is inherently more accurate because of this is nonsensical. This is actually an illustration of how the 30'06 is superior. You can go all the way down to 100grain bullets if you want. You can buy or load managed recoil rounds if you want and have the same or lower recoil than the .270.

You cannot, however, ever get a 220grain bullet in a 270.

If you really want to blow your mind, the 308 uses heavier bullets than the 270 (typically) AND features lower recoil.

Unskilled and useless shooters???

There are many good shooters that do not like recoil.
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Re-read the post please. I was very clearly speaking about one with a flinch due to a mental block on a certain chambering, not just an average shooter who prefers lower recoil.
 
But how do the unskilled get skilled?? ;)

With 243's and such.

Still to me, .270 vs 30-06 is like arguing which 1/2 ton carries a sheet of plywood better.

Comes down to what you can shoot well, has nothing to do with ballistics.It is about the user not the tool.I say shoot whichever you like, but choose the proper bullet for application and everything else will fall into place.

Idcurrie said:
DERP!

So use a lighter bullet in the 30'06! Saying, as you did, that the 270 is inherently more accurate because of this is nonsensical. This is actually an illustration of how the 30'06 is superior. You can go all the way down to 100grain bullets if you want. You can buy or load managed recoil rounds if you want and have the same or lower recoil than the .270.

You cannot, however, ever get a 220grain bullet in a 270.

If you really want to blow your mind, the 308 uses heavier bullets than the 270 AND uses heavier bullets (typically)



Re-read the post please. I was very clearly speaking about one with a flinch due to a mental block on a certain chambering, not just an average shooter who prefers lower recoil.
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There really is no practical difference between the 2 cartridges. Any ballistic shenanigans that used to be common when comparing the 2 cartridges has been completely negated by premium bullets and ballistic plex scopes, turrets and rangefinders. And that is assuming that there was ever much difference between the 2 cartridges to begin with....;)
 
That said there is often some little tidbit missed in other forums. Besides if you dont want to see one then go read something else. Nice summary and I feel the same way. You cant get a 220 gr bullet for a 270 nor a 180. Although I have thought of getting a 270 I already have a 30-06 as well as a 308 and I reload.
 
bcsteve said:
You got to be kidding! A .30-06 vs. .270 thread!
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Holy crap! Flashback to 1950!

GGuy, both you and your buddy are waaaaay behind. Nobody worries about the .270 vs. 30-06. Nowdays we argue about 300winmag vs 300 wsm.

But to answer your question. A .270 is basically a necked down 30-06, with approximately the same powder capacity. Using available factory ammo, the .270 is slightly flatter shooting with 130 gr bullets, while the 30-06 packs a little more punch with the heavier bullets. Almost a draw, but for all-round use they are both solid.
 
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jethunter said:
Holy crap! Flashback to 1950!
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Jack O'Connor has risen from the Grave! This debate has been going on since I was wearing diapers 65 years ago.

However, my vote is for the 30-06. Better bullet selection, especially over 160 grains, and the big plus is that 30-06 ammunition is available EVERYWHERE. Even in Russia!

As far as shooting flatter, 85% of Big Game Animals are taken under 200 yards, and there is negligable difference in trajectories within that distance.

This is like the 30-30 vs the 32 Winchester debate.
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The .270 - .30/06 debate should have ended back in the '50s when Townsend Whelen opined that the then new .280 Remington was just a hair better than either, but not so much better that one should trade off either to get one. But the message was clear, if you wanted a new big game rifle, you should get a .280.
 
Remember that GST is only 5% ;)

Idcurrie said:
Yes, exactly. That's really what we're talking about here.

"What's the difference between 270 and 30'06?

0.031 of an inch.
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Yes, 10% smaller bore diameter but 21% greater bullet surface so for a given bullet sectional density, you get a 21% heavier bullet.
The same could be said when comparing 300 Win Mag to 338 Win Mag.

Alex
 
Oh,

I thought we were talking about the diameter of the hole, not the energy delivered by a heavier slug.

Care to address the diameter part? Compare a 150 grain .270 to a 150 grain .30-06 to keep bullet weight constant.
 
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