270 win or 270 wsm?
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Do NOT get either one, they are both abominations to the shooting/hunting world...........buy a 7-08 or 7X57 or 280 Rem or7mm RM (this is the best choice actually).......or a 6.5X55 or a 260 Rem or a 264 WM......anything is better than a rifle using a .277 dia bullet..........
Why?
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270win would be my choice. I like to practice a lot with any gun I buy. Just picked up a new rifle 3 days ago and am creeping on 100 rounds down it already. If you are going to shoot a bunch mag's probably won't be comfortable to do so.
No matter what caliber you end up with,sooner or later YOU WILL AND SHOULD start reloading.
Like the most guys here agree WSM and your wallet will like reloads.
I personally like WSM over any other calibres,have both 270 and 300 in WSM and what most of the others are saying is true...
Longer barrel,more of a kick,more exspensive ammo and so on...100%true
Not so true...
-feeding issues(long time ago on beggining there was this problem but but solved well)
myself and couple of my buddies have WSM and no one had feeding issues.
Somewhat true...
-finding ammo problem...in some rural areas,might be the issue but nowadays no one is traveling without good stack of ammo and WSM becoming somewhat popular caliber that most of stores have them(7 and 325WSM maybe not but 270 and 300,easy)
Beside that bullet selection will be much better in stores that stock them than for Win.
-burrning barrel problem...for range shooters yes but they have no caliber that will last and for you as a hunter and even reloading guy trying different loads, NOT an issue
-louder...on shooting range you are wearing plugs or some type of headsets you can stand next to an airplane,
In hunting situations,bullet or two WILL NOT damage your hearing any more than any other caliber other than someone fires from your shoulder with muzzle break on the barrel.
No need to name other legendary stories but my suggestion is next time on shooting range observe someone who shoots calibre you are interested in and ask to try...there is no.1 solution for you to know is to try it out.
One thing with WSM is copper fouling in the barrel(i dont know for others)
But you will need run some JB12 or butch bore shine or similar solution for getting rid of your copper and especially if choose barnes or similar type of bullet but not a problem at all...
Good luck whatever you choose
Like the most guys here agree WSM and your wallet will like reloads.
I personally like WSM over any other calibres,have both 270 and 300 in WSM and what most of the others are saying is true...
Longer barrel,more of a kick,more exspensive ammo and so on...100%true
Not so true...
-feeding issues(long time ago on beggining there was this problem but but solved well)
myself and couple of my buddies have WSM and no one had feeding issues.
Somewhat true...
-finding ammo problem...in some rural areas,might be the issue but nowadays no one is traveling without good stack of ammo and WSM becoming somewhat popular caliber that most of stores have them(7 and 325WSM maybe not but 270 and 300,easy)
Beside that bullet selection will be much better in stores that stock them than for Win.
-burrning barrel problem...for range shooters yes but they have no caliber that will last and for you as a hunter and even reloading guy trying different loads, NOT an issue
-louder...on shooting range you are wearing plugs or some type of headsets you can stand next to an airplane,
In hunting situations,bullet or two WILL NOT damage your hearing any more than any other caliber other than someone fires from your shoulder with muzzle break on the barrel.
No need to name other legendary stories but my suggestion is next time on shooting range observe someone who shoots calibre you are interested in and ask to try...there is no.1 solution for you to know is to try it out.
One thing with WSM is copper fouling in the barrel(i dont know for others)
But you will need run some JB12 or butch bore shine or similar solution for getting rid of your copper and especially if choose barnes or similar type of bullet but not a problem at all...
Good luck whatever you choose
Shot placement, velocity and bullet construction is what causes meet damage, which I assume is what you meant by, "makes too much of a mess with deer." The .308 win is not known to damage a great deal of meat, neither is the .30-06 but load either with a rapid expanding bullet like a ballistic tip or SST and shoot the shoulder of a deer at close range and you may loose most of the meat from that shoulder. In fact the .270 is often referred to as being hard on meat by many folks shooting cup and core bullets at close ranges.
Perfect example of this my .30-30 170 grain hand load does 2250 fps at the muzzle and the Hornady leverevolution load is a 160 grain bullet at 2400 fps supposedly. Now most folks regard the .30-30 as very mild mannered and some even consider obsolete and questionable on deer. 2 deer with the traditional flat point, one 70 yards shot behind the shoulder bullet exited with an exit wound about .5 of inch in diameter, little bloodshot meat and deer collapsed like a puppet with the strings cut. The second was a 35 (ish) yard shot right on the shoulder bone, bullet broke the bone and came to rest against the opposite shoulder looking like the bullet on the corelocket box and while there was some blood shot meat of the onside shoulder it wasn't much. Now with the leverevolution stuff at close range there has been considerable blood shot usually confined to the rib cage but when a bullet struck the shoulder bone it turned it into hamburger the largest piece of that bullet found was 30 grains against the opposite ribs. Bullets intended to expand reliably at longer range when they are going slower can make a mess of the meat at close range, I'm sure had the shot been at 150 yards or further the result may have been different and even tougher bullets when shot through the shoulder do more meat damage than shot through the ribs.
Large bores at moderate velocities earned the eat right up to the hole reputation well before bullets became as well made as they are today, while high velocity small bores were often regarded as unreliable due to bullets failing to penetrate because of rapid expansion.
Never buy a short mag they offer nothing in performance but ammo can be hard to source, it seems this fall the ammo shelves were pretty bare and short mags are going to become orphan calibres like the 307's
I have a BLR in 325 wsm and don't get me wrong I love that gun but I should never have bought that calibre
I have a BLR in 325 wsm and don't get me wrong I love that gun but I should never have bought that calibre
Jack O'Connor extensively used the 270 Winchester on big game around the World during his 50+ years as a hunter, author and respected gun expert. It's effectiveness as a hunting round is well documented. To answer your original question, either the 270 WSM or Winchester are more than adequate for the majority of NA big game animals. As with any caliber, bullet placement is the key. Hit 'em in the boiler room with either and you'll be successful.
PG.............It's just my own personal and irrational hatred for all things .277.......It was spawned out of the American hatred for all things metric, back when Winchester came up with it. The '06 should have been necked down to the popular 7mm bullet which had already proven itself worldwide, including haven taken more than 1000 elephants in WDM Bells hands. OR....what if it had been necked down to 6.5 and supplied with a 130 gn bullet, ya think JO'C would have killed less game with it? Can you imagine how popular the 260 Winchester would have been today, or the 280 Winchester (which obviously would have been their names) if it weren't for the extreme anti metric prejudices of the American gun industry?
to the CGN's that say"there is no ammo for the 270wsm" well sorry to say i have no problem finding it in my area, and to the ones who say"don't get a 270, get a 308" in some areas such as mine, a 270 is one of the largest calibers that can be shot for game. as far as the opinions as to whats the best, no one is wrong, it all comes down to what can you afford to shoot and whats practical for you.
sharp shooter
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You guys are all nutz………You need a .375…….
Everyone needs a .375, but some also need a .270.
sharp shooter
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The 270 wsm may have a very slight advantage out in the longer ranges but being a new hunter I doubt you will be shooting at 500 yard plus shots. WSM rifles cost more to buy, as does the ammo and people have had issues with the short fat cartridge. Mag capacity is a concern for some, I know almost every hunter on CGN, minus myself, only need one shot but my last 270 wsm only had a 2 round mag. I usually like 3 or more just in case.
If you plan on hunting bigger animals Id seriously look at a 30-06 its very versatile, cheap and ammo is plentiful.
Cheers!!
If you plan on hunting bigger animals Id seriously look at a 30-06 its very versatile, cheap and ammo is plentiful.
Cheers!!
My 270 wsm only holds 2 rounds in the mag but was still able to drop 4 deer a number of years back. Guess if I had bought the browning with extra mag capacity I could have gotten all 5 but that would have been greedy. None of the deer made it more than 10 feet. I've had this gun for 8 years and have always used Winchester ballistic silvertips and this year they are very hard to find. There are others available but once you find something you like its hard to change to something else.
With the above statement seems you just answered your own question.!! You are getting a lot of good personal opinions, some based on experience. Since your new to CGN be aware there are many very knowledgeable folks on here and many who think they are. The trick is to differentiate between the two.
Try not to get caught up in this WSM thing as it is a manufacturers attempt to reinvent the wheel to generate new excitement and interest in older cartridges. Why, to sell more guns and ammo, after all it is all about sales and profits. They don't really kill anything any better than the cartridges they are based on.
Jack O'Conner made the Win 270 infamous because basically he was paid to. He was a noted well respected gun writer of the time. He had an affiliation with Winchester and the rest is history. If he would have pushed cartridge XYZ for Remington then he would have made that one famous and the 270 would now be close to extinction. As there are many cartridges that will kill game just as good as a 270.
c-fbmi is one of the more knowledgeable folks on CGN. He is a friend, a known character, and you can always depend on him to stand behind his beliefs against all odds. He doesn't like .277 calibre projectiles, period. Never has, never will. He has a very valid point when he states the American gun industry in anti metric, they are. Why because the metric cartridges are European based and where not invented in America, and they are designated in metric, the USA is not metric friendly.
My opinion for you as a new hunter and shooter based on my experience is you need 4 calibres. A .22 for stray cats, rabbits, and just plain fun. A .243 for wolves, coyotes and deer in open areas. A 30-06 for just about everything and anything. A .375HH for all the stuff that the 30-06 may have a tough time with. And none of these 4 calibres including the .375HH are going to beat you up with recoil.
Welcome to the sport and good luck sorting through all the information available, and get used to spending all your spare cash on guns and related products as this sport is addicting.
Ok, I will throw in my 2 cents.
First of all, I do not hand-load. Maybe I should, but my free time is already booked up with too many other things.
And the incentive to hand-load is low, given that the savings seem to be only 40 cents/round compared to factory ammunition in the popular sizes (.243, .308, .270, .30-06, .30-30, 7mm rmag).
I have sold most of my rifles (including my RSI in 7x57mm), and now I am down to a .243, .25-06, .270, .30-30, .30-06 ... so, given the above consideration, there is little need to hand-load for them.
For all of the calibres I now own, factory ammunition costs about $22/box of 20 rounds .. with the exception of the .25-06 (Kimber Montana), which is about $32/box (and even that will soon go up for sale).
Two weeks ago, I had the opportunity to buy a mint Winchester M70 SuperGrade in .270wsm .. and I almost went for it. But 1st I checked the price of ammunition: about $50/box.
Given the price of .270wsm factory ammunition, and given that I already own a Winchester M70 Featherweight Deluxe in .270 .. my purchase plans for the .270wsm were cancelled.
But, before I made my decision, I spoke to a few individuals who own both calibres .. just to see if they find any advantages to the magnum that might override the cost factor.
They all said the same thing .. yes, the .270wsm will shoot a little faster and flatter, and carry its killing power a little bit further, but they have had difficulties finding factory ammunition in smaller communities ..
and, here in B.C., where shooting distances can range from 50 yards to 500 yards, they find few or no real practical hunting advantages in 95% of hunting situations.
So, I concluded that .. since I already own a .270, then there is no over-riding reason .. for ME .. to buy another rifle in .270wsm
If YOU do not own a rifle chambered in that calibre, or if you do not yet own a rifle at all .. then why would you NEED to buy a .270wsm instead of a .270 .. given all of the above considerations.
However, always keep in mind that gun owners do not always buy firearms based on NEED. Sometimes we just WANT to buy rifles, often in chamberings that we do not really need.
And when we do, we will usually invent 'reasons' why ... especially to our wives.
First of all, I do not hand-load. Maybe I should, but my free time is already booked up with too many other things.
And the incentive to hand-load is low, given that the savings seem to be only 40 cents/round compared to factory ammunition in the popular sizes (.243, .308, .270, .30-06, .30-30, 7mm rmag).
I have sold most of my rifles (including my RSI in 7x57mm), and now I am down to a .243, .25-06, .270, .30-30, .30-06 ... so, given the above consideration, there is little need to hand-load for them.
For all of the calibres I now own, factory ammunition costs about $22/box of 20 rounds .. with the exception of the .25-06 (Kimber Montana), which is about $32/box (and even that will soon go up for sale).
Two weeks ago, I had the opportunity to buy a mint Winchester M70 SuperGrade in .270wsm .. and I almost went for it. But 1st I checked the price of ammunition: about $50/box.
Given the price of .270wsm factory ammunition, and given that I already own a Winchester M70 Featherweight Deluxe in .270 .. my purchase plans for the .270wsm were cancelled.
But, before I made my decision, I spoke to a few individuals who own both calibres .. just to see if they find any advantages to the magnum that might override the cost factor.
They all said the same thing .. yes, the .270wsm will shoot a little faster and flatter, and carry its killing power a little bit further, but they have had difficulties finding factory ammunition in smaller communities ..
and, here in B.C., where shooting distances can range from 50 yards to 500 yards, they find few or no real practical hunting advantages in 95% of hunting situations.
So, I concluded that .. since I already own a .270, then there is no over-riding reason .. for ME .. to buy another rifle in .270wsm
If YOU do not own a rifle chambered in that calibre, or if you do not yet own a rifle at all .. then why would you NEED to buy a .270wsm instead of a .270 .. given all of the above considerations.
However, always keep in mind that gun owners do not always buy firearms based on NEED. Sometimes we just WANT to buy rifles, often in chamberings that we do not really need.
And when we do, we will usually invent 'reasons' why ... especially to our wives.
