270 WSM Bolt Actions: Gun Tests

Let me assure every one that Cat was not one of those guys.:) Cat shoots much better than those guys,and he isn't taken in by manufacturers advertising.And most importantly ,he is far too smart to brag about his shooting in front of a stranger and then accept his bet to shoot against him . I had never seen the guy or his partner before,and I haven't seen them since.But it certainly was entertaining to humiliate them.
 
stubblejumper said:
I actually went to the shortmags site as posted by bigbulls and immediately found this thread

http://www.shortmags.org/shortmags/snitzforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7755

The second poster refers to overpressure with factory loads.There are no specific details given,but apparently some people have noticed this problem.
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Actually, if you read further on this thread, you will see that the high pressure 'signs' were caused by an imperfect chamber.

I had a similar experience with my factory 300WSM and the factory ammo. Some of the Fail safe ammo would lock up the bolt, and show ejector hole marks.

The chamber had some marks in it, and was slightly oval.

This was rectified whent he rifle was rebarreled, and the same facotry ammo seems to have no issues- except some of it doens't chamber, which is probbaly because the rifle has a very tight chamber:p

Only the nickel plated FailSafe facotry ammo had this problem, and I tried the 180gr Power Point and 150gr Ballistic Tip ammo as well, with no problems.:)
 
stubblejumper said:
I actually went to the shortmags site as posted by bigbulls and immediately found this thread

http://www.shortmags.org/shortmags/snitzforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7755

The second poster refers to overpressure with factory loads.There are no specific details given,but apparently some people have noticed this problem.
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I actually went and read the post, the shooter resolved his problem by going to a gunsmith, he discovered a rough chamber, this can at times cause difficult extraction and has nothing to do with pressures, as this fellow said it was all fine after the chamber was cleaned up!
Thanks
bigbull
 
I actually went and read the post, the shooter resolved his problem by going to a gunsmith, he discovered a rough chamber, this can at times cause difficult extraction and has nothing to do with pressures, as this fellow said it was all fine after the chamber was cleaned up!
Thanks
bigbull
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Even though you quoted my post you obviously did not read it correctly.The original poster had a problem with his rifle which as you stated, was determined to be a rough chamber.But the SECOND POSTER referred to the high pressures with factory loads.
 
Yeah OK... I know a guy that knows a guy... I hear this crap all the time... In four years of selling hundreds of short mags I have heard exactly three first hand complaints about them. One was about lack of factory ammo, which is no longer an issue... and two were about recoil from very light rifles....
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I had a similar experience with my factory 300WSM and the factory ammo. Some of the Fail safe ammo would lock up the bolt, and show ejector hole marks.

The chamber had some marks in it, and was slightly oval.
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Now you have heard four first hand complaints,unless of course you don't believe Gatehouse.:D

But in all honesty,this could have also been the cause of the problem that I witnessed at the range with the 300wsm.The signs were certainly classic signs of high pressure but the cause may have been a poorly cut chamber.
But then that would make it five first hand complaints. :D
 
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Even though you quoted my post you obviously did not read it correctly.The original poster had a problem with his rifle which as you stated, was determined to be a rough chamber.But the SECOND POSTER referred to the high pressures with factory loads
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..............Gee Crayton i caught it. Maybe these folks need pics to get them through a paragraph!!:D
 
Maybe these folks need pics to get them through a paragraph!!
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More likely a case of simply not seeing what they don't want to see.:D

I suppose that the next attempt at disputing this,will be trying to discredit the forum by the very person that referred to it in order to try and support his claim .:D
 
..............Gee Crayton i caught it too:D You were right all along the WSM are overloaded, overated marketing schemes and we were all taken in by all the marketing hype, I knew I should have gone with the Ultra Mag!:eek:
 
All I know is my .270 WSM in the Browning composite stalker works for me.I have shot everything I wanted to including a moose and a very large black bear.
 
All I know is my .270 WSM in the Browning composite stalker works for me.I have shot everything I wanted to including a moose and a very large black bear.
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I have never said that the wsms were a poor design or that they didn't work well.I do question Winchesters marketing tactics however.And it does appear that the wsm rifles and cartridges are not immune from quality control issues.
As for killing moose and bear with a 270wsm,a former hunting partner killed a 1200lb moose with a 25-06,but neither the 25-06 or the 270wsm would be my first choice as a moose,elk or grizzly cartridge.
 
I had never considereded the 300 or 7 wsm, I had a 300 wm and I loved it however I was involved in an auto accident years ago and screwed up my shoulder. Shooting the 300 was painful, then the 270 wsm came out and the recoil was manageable and my shoulder could tolerate it, so I sold the 300 and never looked back. However bullet placement is very important now as it was always.
 
Unfortunately some people are unable to tolerate much recoil due to injuries and other reasons.For them the choices for really large game are quite limited,as they are often forced to give up their normal cartridges and then use cartridges that do get the job done,but are not generally considered optimum for the job.
 
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Just to clarify, the problems I had appeared to be caused by an imperfect (oval) chamber, and not the ammunition.

However, the only ammunition that caused this was the Winchester Fail Safe ammo, which didn't cause any more pressure signs once the rifle was rebarreled.

But some of it wont fit, either....

I think it's more of a QC issue than anything else.:)
 
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Now you have heard four first hand complaints,unless of course you don't believe Gatehouse.:D

But in all honesty,this could have also been the cause of the problem that I witnessed at the range with the 300wsm.The signs were certainly classic signs of high pressure but the cause may have been a poorly cut chamber.
But then that would make it five first hand complaints. :D
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I also had some problems with nickel cases but I did not blame this on the rifle or the factory ammo... I was reloading a little hot for the thicker cartridge walls.;)
Many of the early Wins and Brownings experienced some chamber problems... this is well documented. The Sako and Tikkas had some extreme barrel issues at one point.
But I stand by my statement... and this is my experience only. Most of the WSSM rifles we sell are Tikkas/Sakos and we never sold any of the first run Winchesters and Browning's in our shop. I guess they all went out west.;)
The problems that you are talking about are not a design flaw inherent to WSM rifles Stubs. Most of this early production stuff is common with any new chambering or ammo... lets face it none of the Manufacturers are perfect...even Nasa can screw up.:(
I have heard far more complaints about Ultra Mags from people... and most of them don't own one... but they look hard at the competition in their never ending quest to be the fastest or best in their own minds...you know what I mean.:)
 
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Nice try but you missed it totally.But seeing as how you are from Quebec,that is not unexpected.Perhaps you should stick to the wsms and leave the ultramags to us westerners.
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You know some might find this type of remark very infamatory, it's a good thing I'm such a great all around nice guy and understand where you are coming from, I will not participate in this type of regional debate. I would leave your political views out of this forum and concentrate on the topic at hand.:)
I'm done with this one!
Over and Out
bigbull
 
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Hey bigbull ...Stubs is a good guy and I am sure he is just hacking on us in jest... give him a break.
The east west thing on the site is for the most part just in good fun.
 
First of all, We dont need swm gunds. I don't have no use for them.All the stendert calibers we had before are the very best. Secounds where do you find all dose low pricess like $569 $695 and even $734.I live in Southern Ontario, all of dose guns you are talking about,You don't bay them here for any less then $1200+
 
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