3 gun if the ban happens?

ekp said:
Seems like majority of shotguns get prohibited as well.
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From what I have read, technically you are correct (just), but I very much doubt that was the intent.

This wasn't mentioned by the Government gun grabbers but rather a private pro gun entity so I read it as unintended mistake on the part of the Turd Reich.

I doubt they want all the innocent shotgunners (most people imagine some hunter type with a double barrel chasing ducks or something along those lines - not 3 gunners) baying for their blood too, their approach is to divide and conquer in small manageable chunks and this feels like something they wouldn't want as there already enough pissed off people out there.

This is what happens when you have non gun people crafting gun laws.

I may be wrong but thats my gut.
 
12ga shotguns are not fuking prohib, INCLUDING ones with removable chokes. Bill Blair said it, google said it, saami specs said it and even common freaking sense said it. I will be practicing 3gun this friday with my shotgun.

I hate Bill Blair, I hate this gun ban and I hate all this stupid misinformation floating around that has been created by the tin foil hat society.

I have been contacted or linked probably 15 times about the stupid airsoft gun and website being banned alone! Then having to take time to "enlighten" people on how the BW AR 15 and the AR.COM guns actually do exist!
 
Murray 3-D said:
12ga shotguns are not fuking prohib, INCLUDING ones with removable chokes. Bill Blair said it, google said it, saami specs said it and even common freaking sense said it. I will be practicing 3gun this Friday with my shotgun.

I hate Bill Blair, I hate this gun ban and I hate all this stupid misinformation floating around that has been created by the tin foil hat society.

I have been contacted or linked probably 15 times about the stupid airsoft gun and website being banned alone! Then having to take time to "enlighten" people on how the BW AR 15 and the AR.COM guns actually do exist!
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Bill Blair can say what he wants but his Order in Council says differently. He also says the S&W.22lr is an Assault Rifle. along withe the CX4 Storm and the CZ Scorpian Carbine.

##### when he learns words matter. He has also banned bolt action rifles with the power limitation. He got fired for lying to the public over his G 7 conduct and continues to mislead Canadians

Erin O'Tool said last night his Conservative Gov't will reverse the OIC and review C71. If I owned any of the rifles I would not be turning in any of them just yet.

Take Care

Bob
 
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Canuck44 said:
Bill Blair can say what he wants but his Order in Council says differently. He also says the S&W.22lr is an Assault Rifle. along withe the CX4 Storm and the CZ Scorpian Carbine.

##### when he learns words matter. He has also banned bolt action rifles with the power limitation. He got fired for lying to the pi=ublic over his G 7 conduct and contnues to mislead Canadians

Erin O'Tool said last night his Conservative Gov't will reverse the OIC and review C71. If I owned any of the rifles I would not be turning in any of them just yet.

Take Care

Bob
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This is the correct interpretation of the OIC ...Bill Blair's social media b.s. is just that to a "stair climbing" liberal suporting prosecutor in a courtroom...Its what is written in the OIC, not Blair's twitter that will be allowed.
 
Murray 3-D said:
12ga shotguns are not fuking prohib, INCLUDING ones with removable chokes. Bill Blair said it, google said it, saami specs said it and even common freaking sense said it. I will be practicing 3gun this friday with my shotgun.

I hate Bill Blair, I hate this gun ban and I hate all this stupid misinformation floating around that has been created by the tin foil hat society.

I have been contacted or linked probably 15 times about the stupid airsoft gun and website being banned alone! Then having to take time to "enlighten" people on how the BW AR 15 and the AR.COM guns actually do exist!
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At the end of the day it does not matter what Blair says, it does not matter what SAAMI says and at the very least it doesn't matter what Google says. It is what is written in the legislation and how a Judge rules on it to set case law that does matter. As written it COULD apply and the ambiguity is the problem.

If a officer decides to lay charges based on how a piece of legislation is written you will have to defend yourself in court and bare the cost of that. It does not in the OIC anywhere set out where and how the measurements are to be taken. That is a flaw, so if a measurement is taken anywhere after the chamber and before the crown of the muzzle it can be used as that is the bore.

I am not telling anyone to not go hunting or using there shotgun if it measures 20mm of more with the choke removed. Everyone is able to make their own decision on this but they should do it knowing the facts and the possible consequences. I for one would love for this question to be answered in a court after someone is charged, but I don't want that person to be me or any of my friends as a charge like this will ruin you, to borrow a quote "I will never financially recover from this"!
 
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Yah so is just about everything else in law. At any given time someone could be charged for something. The only thing often keeping the peace is real world logic, scrutiny and evidence. Evidence like saami specs, gun manufacturing standards and pardons made by higher ranking politicians and officers.

Here in Alberta... would an officer risk their job and public reputation to actually thread out a choke and measure the threads rather then a bore especially considering there is no written practice or legislation claiming that is the standard to measure such a thing just to lay a charge? And to top it all off u have the minister of public defense himself saying the shotguns are excluded and Jason Kenny dismissing enforcement of the ban all together... i extremely doubt it. And im totally willing to test it.


Your right to say its all open to interpretation. But that doesnt mean everyone should run around proclaiming that 12ga's have been BANNED ! MAY 1st.
 
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Murray no one has The OIC says if the bore is 20MM ir larger the gun is banned. Almost all chked guns listed in the CSSA's lawyer's letter states the ones they tested and according to the OIC the guns therefore are banned. If you can type responses on this thread it should be reasonable to assume thhose same folks, including you can read. So read the Lawyer's opinion. If you think they are wrong fly at it. You could be right. Nobody says you should crawl into a hole and become a hermit. Do what you want. Personally, I would rather go underground than risk what Svisti1911 laid out but that is just me.

As an aside I suspect the OIC was not well thought out, pushed along without much audit by a Minister that is totally incompetent. He will, when pressed proclaim the OIC does not apply,nobody will get charged. In the meantime the CSSA will likely launch a legal action and we can only hope some judge agrees with the CSSA or wait for the Conservatives to win the next election and reverse this mess.

BTW none of this apparently applies to your local 1st Nation so how it is being done to keep Canadians safe is beyond me.

Take Care
Bob
 
SVISTI1911 said:
At the end of the day it does not matter what Blair says, it does not matter what SAAMI says and at the very least it doesn't matter what Google says. It is what is written in the legislation and how a Judge rules on it to set case law that does matter. As written it COULD apply and the ambiguity is the problem.

If a officer decides to lay charges based on how a piece of legislation is written you will have to defend yourself in court and bare the cost of that. It does not in the OIC anywhere set out where and how the measurements are to be taken. That is a flaw, so if a measurement is taken anywhere after the chamber and before the crown of the muzzle it can be used as that is the bore.

I am not telling anyone to not go hunting or using there shotgun if it measures 20mm of more with the choke removed. Everyone is able to make their own decision on this but they should do it knowing the facts and the possible consequences. I for one would love for this question to be answered in a court after someone is charged, but I don't want that person to be me or any of my friends as a charge like this will ruin you, to borrow a quote "I will never financial recover from this"!
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Exactly right and precisely why incompetent people writing legislation is such a terrifying thing....
 
Murray 3-D said:
would an officer risk their job and public reputation to actually thread out a choke and measure the threads rather then a bore especially considering there is no written practice or legislation claiming that is the standard to measure such a thing just to lay a charge?
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I would not trust my future on what an officer may or may not do. They make mistakes and often they are protected by the law if and when they make those mistakes if they do it in good faith. Most officers are stand up people but I know 1st hand that some shady cops have done some shady things, they are not all saints.

How often do you hear about officers being fired because they laid a charge and the accused was found not guilty? What if those marching orders come from their superior? Blair was responsible for the Toronto Police force using excessive force and many other abuses of power during the G20 demonstrations in Toronto. It clearly didn't affect him and as far as I know only 2 scape goats where ever convicted of any offences.
 
But yet many of you advertise intent on non compliance lol which is basically harbouring prohibited firearms from the government specifically listed by model name in the OIC. Good luck fighting that charge in court.
 
Murray 3-D said:
Yah so is just about everything else in law. At any given time someone could be charged for something. The only thing often keeping the peace is real world logic, scrutiny and evidence. Evidence like saami specs, gun manufacturing standards and pardons made by higher ranking politicians and officers.

Here in Alberta... would an officer risk their job and public reputation to actually thread out a choke and measure the threads rather then a bore especially considering there is no written practice or legislation claiming that is the standard to measure such a thing just to lay a charge? And to top it all off u have the minister of public defense himself saying the shotguns are excluded and Jason Kenny dismissing enforcement of the ban all together... i extremely doubt it. And im totally willing to test it.


Your right to say its all open to interpretation. But that doesnt mean everyone should run around proclaiming that 12ga's have been BANNED ! MAY 1st.
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You're right - no cop would do that - they will simply lay charges and let the judge decide.

Standard practice unfortunately. They don't care - wont cost them a dime to put it in front of a judge, you on the other hand.......
 
Murray 3-D said:
But yet many of you advertise intent on non compliance lol which is basically harbouring prohibited firearms from the government specifically listed by model name in the OIC. Good luck fighting that charge in court.
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A lot of the sentiment I am seeing would lead me to believe that people are beyond caring; and literally are saying come and take it. This is where we are now.
 
Murray 3-D said:
But yet many of you advertise intent on non compliance lol which is basically harbouring prohibited firearms from the government specifically listed by model name in the OIC. Good luck fighting that charge in court.
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You are either very young, which might excuse your naivety, or you just are naive. One fact of history that most here know for is, there never was full 100% compliance to the Long Gun Registry. For those that did comply, some went to great lengths to corrupt the system by for example, registering their Lever Action Lee Enfield .303 Rifles. Some even claimed they had semi-auto Lee Enfoeld .303 rifles. The Ottawa Citizen published a partial list of the registry and it became pretty clear there were notable exceptions to reality when it came to the long guns registered. To my knowledge there never was a court case where someone was charged with being in possession of an unregistered Long Gun. There may have been but I am not aware of any.

Citizens rarely comply to silly laws that inconvenient their life styles. As young student growing up in Edmonton (early 1960's) I recall the City Police, for reason that remain unknown to this day, decided Jay walking students around High Schools was a major concern. Their "crackdown" on jay walking only ensured we all jay walked whenever the circumstance called for crossing a street. Childish to be sure but within a month sanity prevailed and we all went back to jay walking when it was convenient and using the crosswalks when they were at hand.

This ban is not going to stand beyond the next government. The Conservatives, will frame this as an overreach , pledge millions for added Municipal Police funding for anti-drug enforcement, extend punishment for crime involving gun play and life will return to some semblance of normal. The Left will claim the streets will run red with blood, they won't, and life will move on until then next incident where a dozen or more folks are killed and for those who will be around 30 years from now will have to fight the good fight all over again.

Take Care

Bob
 
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I hope you are right, but at the moment, the king of Peoplekind is very high in the polls and sending a lot of folks checks. Meanwhile we have no idea who is running the conservatives, and whether that person is pro gun to the core. Overturning the registry was great, but it is a whole other political kettle of fish than allowing thousands of AR variants back into the picture. That does not sound like a winner for the conservatives whose record on gun control is far from squeaky clean to start with.

I hope the court challenges are successful or delay things long enough. And we should keep making the points about the cost of buy backs; the dangerous overreach; the job loss; etc...
 
The conservatves ae our only hope to get this situation reverse. The two leading contenders have been very clear that they will reverse any actions the Liberals take now regarding gun bans and c71. We can only hope take care Bob
 
Gundoggy said:
it will look like....

Cowboy Action Shooting with only the rifle and shotgun. Perhaps a airsoft revolver...assuming it's not banned.
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I measured all the bores at the muzzle of both my SxS's and my wife's. All shotguns evaded prohibition, but I have been told that people that have shortened barrels to the minimum legal length for better handling during matches, and that have installed screw in chokes should not head south for matches with that shotgun. Coming back into Canada, you are subject to CBSA rules and their current published documentation could find any shotgun with a screw in choke a prohibited firearm. Proving you are innocent could be an extremely expensive activity, regardless what Bill Blair says.
 
At this rate, for law abiding sport shooters its going to be bolt action .22, air pistol, heavy rock

For gang bangers its going to be ar15, mac10, sawed off shotty
 
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