.30-06 vs .308

skidderman said:
My two longest kills in 50 yrs, an elk and an antelope was with a 308 at 400 yards each. For me that's a long shot. I really have to wonder about all of the people that say they can shoot out to 500 yards. I know some can but I highly doubt the percentage is very high.
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Wisdom.

Within the distances 99.9% of us can shoot, can somebody explain how a deer shot with a .300 RUM is 'deader' than one shot with a .30-06 or why either of them make game 'deader' than a .308?

Three basic laws of hunting: 1) Bambi don't wear kevlar, 2) 500 yards is indirect fire for all but the most exceptional and 3) a well-placed 150 gr flatpoint from a century-old .30/30 will put more meat on the table than a shoulder-smashing miss with a .458 Lott.

Bottom line? For most of us, it's same-same all the way down the line.
 
ATOM said:
Wisdom.

Within the distances 99.9% of us can shoot, can somebody explain how a deer shot with a .300 RUM is 'deader' than one shot with a .30-06 or why either of them make game 'deader' than a .308?

Three basic laws of hunting: 1) Bambi don't wear kevlar, 2) 500 yards is indirect fire for all but the most exceptional and 3) a well-placed 150 gr flatpoint from a century-old .30/30 will put more meat on the table than a shoulder-smashing miss with a .458 Lott.

Bottom line? For most of us, it's same-same all the way down the line.
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Perhaps I can't explain it, but perhaps I can provide an analogy. Consider the prairie dog. Consider the prairie dog shot at 200 yards with a 40 gr Ballistic Tip that had a muzzle velocity of 2700 fps from a .22 Hornet. Now consider another prairie dog, shot at 200 yards, with a 40 gr Ballistic Tip, this one with a muzzle velocity of 3500 fps from a .22-250. Dead is dead, but there's an argument to be made that the time it takes to die is closely associated to the velocity of the bullet impact.

As to your analogy of the .30/30 and the .458 Lott, there is an argument to be made that the typical deer hunter armed with a .458 Lott, isn't typical at all, and practices far more with his rifle than the typical .30/30 hunter, who loads his rifle from a 15 year old box of cartridges. I suggest that the scoped .458 Lott with a 300 gr bullet at 2600 fps provides a significant advantage to the modern hunter, since the bush today presents far more opportunity for a longish shot, across clearcuts, along power lines, areas of mineral extraction, and burns, than it has in times past.
 
8x57 is the one that started it all and is better than those two. The incomparable Mauser 98 was built around it.
 
c-fbmi said:
WC..........I'm not a big fan of the old '06.....but I did manage to find one ###y enough to grace my vault..........



It's the 75th anniversary edition Mod 70.
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that is ###y.

last rifle I purchased was a Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation badged X-Bolt in 325 WSM. Still have not shot it :( but I have found dies and 200 new cases so its just taking the time to sit down and load.
 
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