30 30 ammo !! ??? what to choose ?? first time rifle

todbartell said:
Fox said:
The Silvertips are Flat Points for the 30-30.

yep this is true, they're flat points...

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OK...

The pics that I showed were hauled off the Winchester site from the 30-30 lineup. The pointiness confused me a bit.
 
Didn't read all the postings, but will add mine.
1) The old 170 grain flat nose bullet with lots of lead exposed, is, with little doubt, the best hunting bullet ever designed for the 30-30.
Get a bullet that looks as close to this as you can. Of the ones you list, probably the 170 grain Silvertip.

2) My strong advice. Forget all this talk of getting the brand of ammunition that shoots best in your rifle, or what your rifle "likes."
My strong opinion. You could get a box of ammunition with 170 grain bullets from every major manufacturer, such as Winchester, Remington, Federal, etc, and you can't prove that any one brand shoots "better," than any other brand, in your 30-30, with it's original iron sights.
And for all you guys that are going to scream that I don't know what I'm talking about, remember, we are talking pie plate accuracy here, under hunting conditions.
Buy a box of shells of your choice and go and sight it in.
Remember to take along a file, for adjusting elevation.
 
170 grain Silvertips are a classic load in this caliber and perform beyond their ballistic chart stats on game. They are my go-to bullet in the .30-30. A couple of loads shoot marginally more accurate, but I am with H4831 on this one. Bullet performance on game is the key here and the Silvertips are tried and true.
 
try the 170 gr silvertips first and if they shoot well with your rifle stick with them they seem to expand a little slower than the softpoints not really noticeably but it would be a better moose round than the softpoint
 
If you ever get around to re-loading try 34.5gr /Win 748/150gr or 32gr of the same and a 170gr..............many deer + moose have fallen to both in my house............Harold
 
I have shot moose and deer with my 30-30 using 170 and had great results. On moose the rule is keep shooting until they drop and that's with any gun.
 
In my 30-30 win94TE, I find the Winchester 170g PP make less than 1 inch group at 50y. I've never tried at 100y yet, but I'm guessing it'll do 4 inches.

I'm not going to bother trying other types of ammo, except reloads. If I can keep it under an inch at 50y with irons, but bring down my cost, that'll be my load.

The only reason I bought factory ammo in the first place was to get brass for my press, and see what my new toy would do. From now on it'll be Hornady 170g hunting bullets and probably 30.5g of IMR3031 with the Winchester brass I have collected.
 
170 grain Silvertips are a classic load in this caliber and perform beyond their ballistic chart stats on game. They are my go-to bullet in the .30-30. A couple of loads shoot marginally more accurate, but I am with H4831 on this one. Bullet performance on game is the key here and the Silvertips are tried and true.


Yes, starting in the 1930s, if not before, the Winchester Silvertip bullets were certainly a western tradition. With the higher power advertising of the big US company, the Silvertips were the ones others were judged by.
The great depression of the 1930s was the period when vast numbers of people living in northern Canada survived by living, year around, on wild meat.
The principle game animal was moose, with some scattered areas having a good supply of elk, mixed in.
The majority of these animals were shot with the 30-30, with maybe 95% of them with Dominion ammunition. The Canadian hunters would have used more Silvertips, except they probably cost a bit more and were not available in the little country stores.
Here is the type of ammo used throughout this great survival time. This exact same CIL 30-30 ammunition was paid for by the federal government and distributed to the Natives in the arctic, through the RCMP offices, until at least the end of the 1950s.
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So, to the original poster, this is why we feel safe in reccommending 170 grain Silvertip amunition, for your anticipated shooting of moose with them.
The famous Dominion line of ammunition is long gone.
 
My dad gave me some plastic tipped CIL ammo from the 70's or 80's. Does this stuff have any collector's value? I was going to sight in a 3 shot group at 50y, and then shoot deer with it just so I could give my dad some tenderloins and his CIL brass back.
 
I really like the new Hornady leverevolution round and I'm curious to try the Barnes Vortex in my .30-30's. I'm inclined to think they may be the best choices for deer and moose.
 
No collector value.
Just shoot it.

X2 on that!

The sabertip IvI ammo mentioned was very accurate in my Marlin Carbine336TS ,and the 170s did what they do, punch a hole through a Deer and just go look for him for awhile. Nothing devastaing, just mortally wounded and waiting to die. A Deer shot at only 20yds still ran 75yds through thick spruce and would have been hard to find except a skiff of snow here and there. Those factory ballistic charts tooting the 170 at 2200fps, may be stretching the truth a little. Fired through my 18.5" carbine on a -9 celsius morning and those primers backing out cause there aint enough pressure to take up the headspace, well I doubt they be doing 2200FPS. How about 1800FPS. Now that sounds about right based on what the deer did when hit. Wish I had chrony'd those dam things.

I guess the 170 is a better all around(if there is such a thing at these velocities) because it will punch a fairly long hole through a deer, much like ramming a long drill bit through one and he will shortly expire, and the minimum length required through a moose to get to vitals if a good broadside hit is obtainable. Tracking wounded Big Game because of lacking penetration or energy is an art that is dying. To be proficient with a lesser cartridge one must make it up in tracking if success is to always be yours. Enough on the old venerable.
It always kills, but do we always get to eat the meat or do we feed the crows sometimes? I helped track 2 solidly hit deer, one at 90 to 100yds with my Marlin, used by a friend and one hit 3 times running past a sitting shooter on a trail I pushed to him,using 170 Silvertips. Lost both of them after hours of tracking by up to 4 hunters of average tracking ability. The 90 yard one would have not gotten back up from a .308 hit in the same place, and the running deer would probaly not have absorbed 3 hits from the .308 and got away as far anyway to lose him. An honest 2200fps verified over your chrony on a 170 would be good for deer for sure out to 150yds or so.
Think.........
 
hornady makes a great cartridge for 3030 they are very fast a guy i hunt with couldnt get them sighted on open sights but when he put a scope on the result was petty impressive for a 3030 just make sure they group well through your gun
 
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