30/30 for moose?
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todbartell said:Id take a 375 Win or 38-55 over a 30-30 anyday for moose. Id much prefer the added frontal area and bullet weight over the 30 cal bullet at higher speed.
original question asked whether the 30-30 was up to task for moose, which it is, but IMO it is not ideal, and if a hunter has both a 30-30 and a 308 in the gun safe, I see no reason to reach for the 30-30.
there's my arguement.
BANG right on the head Tod
Correct answer is why use a 30-30 when you have a 308
senior said:Well what do you expect from a guy that thinks
a 270 is superior to a 280
SORRY guys
Not this again, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
But 270- 280 aside
senior said:BANG right on the head Tod
Correct answer is why use a 30-30 when you have a 308
Senior, thats the same arguement as "Why use my 243, 25-06, 270, 30-30, 308, or 30-06 (and so on) EVER if I have a 338 WM".
The 338 WM is ballistically superior, so all of the rest of my guns are Incapable per that line of thinking
The 30-30 will kill a moose as dead as a 308.
Senior,
The correct answer is,
Because I can, and Its capable.
nobody is saying the biggest gun you own is the one you should take hunting, but lets face it, a 30-30 on moose is marginal. Just because its killed them since the late 1800s doesnt mean it is the best tool to do the job. Back then people owned maybe a 22, a 30-30 or 32 Special, and a single shot 12 gauge. They didnt have the luxury of owning a 30-30 and a 308 or 30-06. Get by with what you have.
I still wouldnt pack a 30-30 if I had a 308 as well. Seems idiotic. Shooting a moose at 75 yards with a 30-30 is like shooting one at 400 yards with a 308.
Not too many guys would promote the 308 Win as a quarter mile moose gun.
30-30 will work most the time, BUT WHY USE IT
I still wouldnt pack a 30-30 if I had a 308 as well. Seems idiotic. Shooting a moose at 75 yards with a 30-30 is like shooting one at 400 yards with a 308.
Not too many guys would promote the 308 Win as a quarter mile moose gun.
30-30 will work most the time, BUT WHY USE IT
mcoywg said:
Ahh but Daryl the question was as you can now see "I might try moose and was wondering if a 30/30 has enough knock down power for a moose or should I use my .308 or something bigger?[/"
Surely you must agree, not knowing all & every condition here the 308 IS the correct answer to give!
Do you not agree!!
And regarding your last post "The 338 WM is ballistically superior, so all of the rest of my guns are Incapable per that line of thinking
So to take that one better, do you recommend the 338 for prarie dog hunting too
or is because you haven't got anything bigger than the 338 to recommend??
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Hey Bigredd, ever open a can of beans with a 30-30?.... I have, expect to be eating light.
senior said:
Yes. thats right i do agree, but your statement is misleading all the same. But at the end of the day, the specific question was. wondering if a 30/30 has enough knock down power for a moose
Does it? YES. Numbers say its marginal, but Numbers are something to give us something to argue over, nothing more. I cant argue with the likely tens thousands of moose killed with the 30-30, or bow and arrow for that matter. Numbers give the assumption that its marginal.
But if you talk to the guys that have done it, you'll see that "Marginal" is very argueable.
senior said:And regarding your last post "The 338 WM is ballistically superior, so all of the rest of my guns are Incapable per that line of thinking"
So to take that one better, do you recommend the 338 for prarie dog hunting too
Senior, that would be a better question posed to you and bartell.
you guys are the ones that state that there is no reason to use marginal calibers, so it would only be natural to think that you would reach past your 243 for a 338 for dirtpigs. I on the other hand, have no problem using supposedly sub capable guns on game. My 243 works just fine on pigs thank you
BTW, I will use my 338 for dirtpigs this year if i hunt in an area that has no cal restrictions. And yes, do have a few larger Dia rifles, but none with more energy than than my 338.
After all, GRNHAWG uses his 375
, and Im just going to Follow suit. DO you think a 225gr X bullet will kill a groundhog?
Should I start a new thread?
.30-30 is a deer rifle
who here would actually reccomend a 30-30 to a guy looking for a brush gun for moose? most would say a 444 or 45/70, or a BLR 308 or Jam-O-Matic 30-06 with a low power scope.
when you only could get one chance at a moose all season, why risk it by using a pip squeek cowboy gun.
if I had to hunt moose with a 30-30, I'd load it with Barnes 150 gr. X bullets, the ones with the six petals. PMC used to load them in factory ammo, under the 'Starfire' name
tb
who here would actually reccomend a 30-30 to a guy looking for a brush gun for moose?
most would say a 444 or 45/70, or a BLR 308 or Jam-O-Matic 30-06 with a low power scope.when you only could get one chance at a moose all season, why risk it by using a pip squeek cowboy gun.
if I had to hunt moose with a 30-30, I'd load it with Barnes 150 gr. X bullets, the ones with the six petals. PMC used to load them in factory ammo, under the 'Starfire' name
tb
todbartell said:
Once again, define Marginal. In your eyes, there are more capable cals, and this maybe true, but at the end of the day, animal dies just as fast as one shot with a 300 WM.
todbartell said:
your personal opinion still doesnt make it incapable. a moose will die if shot at 400 yards with a 308 if you do your part. Whether you or I like it or not.
Right, not too many guys would promote it, but when it comes down to using it as a 400 yard moose gun, I dont think there are too many hunters that would turn down the shot because the 308 is incapable of taking a moose at that distance. I know you sure as hell wouldnt, neither would I.todbartell said:
Not too many guys would promote the 308 Win as a quarter mile moose gun.
30-30 will work most the time, BUT WHY USE IT
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Tod, need I remind you, that my 150 gr PP passed completely through ribs, lungs etc?
Same as a 308 would have.
Lets face it, if you could get a 30-30 in an M700, you'd try it.
I shot my first deer with a 30-30 m94. I am not opposed to the cartridge, I even bought one last year, a NEF 30-30 (since sold). Just dont like the idea of it as a moose gun when you got something more powerful available.
and I personally dont think I would shoot a moose at 400 yards with a 308 either I got a little restraint and more respect for the game I hunt than to take long shots like that.
I think I am spending too much time in this chair today. I wish I could go shooting.
and I personally dont think I would shoot a moose at 400 yards with a 308 either
I got a little restraint and more respect for the game I hunt than to take long shots like that.I think I am spending too much time in this chair today. I wish I could go shooting.
...................absolutley nothing wrong with using a .30-.30 Be a hunter and get within the proper range and kill your moose. If this is wrong, every archery hunter should donate his bow and arrows to the local high school for gym class.
..............just because you have a .308 doesn't mean you are silly for not taking it. There are alot of archery hunters that have magnums in the closet that grab their bows instead. Its all about hunting and challenges.
...........oh yeah, and you muzzle loader guys better give that up to!!!
..............just because you have a .308 doesn't mean you are silly for not taking it. There are alot of archery hunters that have magnums in the closet that grab their bows instead. Its all about hunting and challenges.
...........oh yeah, and you muzzle loader guys better give that up to!!!
todbartell said:I shot my first deer with a 30-30 m94. I am not opposed to the cartridge, I even bought one last year, a NEF 30-30 (since sold). Just dont like the idea of it as a moose gun when you got something more powerful available.
and I personally dont think I would shoot a moose at 400 yards with a 308 either
I think I am spending too much time in this chair today. I wish I could go shooting.
If that was your only shot, and you knew your rifle, you wouldnt shoot? bull####...
I'll call you on that one.
Werent you shooting at a running Coyote/Wolf last week at some few hundred yards?
Cmon, dont play the respect card...
I've spent too much time in this chair today too waiting for a phone call from Wade on my new job.
I'll bring some cans, and we can set em on the ram.BIGREDD said:Damn I forgot.... actually they don't recommend the 30-30 leverevolution ammo for moose. But is sure nice to be able to open a can of beans at 300 yards.
The cans might be a bit tougher to hit offhand at 300 than the ram is
