it does'nt matter what you rip up a lung with. As long as you take away it's ability to breath. If you shoot alot of deer with that gun don't trade it for a gun that you don't shoot/carry as much. Experience with a rifle makes up for a lot of FPS in velocity.
30/30 for moose?
- Thread starter mcoywg
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I do own a .308 and think it is a better all around choice. However, inside 100 yards, I do not see any advantage except the fact he uses the 30-30 every year for deer and it "has never let him down". That proficiency counts for more than fps or energy. Best, cheapsk8
- Location
- Yellowknife, NWT
I look at moose hunting with a .30-30 the same as with a bow or muzzleloader...if you want to accept the challenge (or handicap yourself, depending on your point of view), go for it! I LOVE the idea of hunting moose with a .30-30. Or even a .38-55. It's just not as efficient as using a rifle which will extend your range. To me, it's like duck hunting with a .410....not a job for neophytes. Best done by an experienced hunter, but not necessarily an experienced MOOSE hunter. If you're certain you can pass up all shots past about 150 yards, and wait for a good angle inside 150 yards, then the .30-30 is easily enough gun.
My uncle only used the 30-30, shot many a deer and 3 moose with it. This was the winchester rifle, not carbine, 26" barrel. If you hit it where you need to hit it why the hell not use the 30-30. I know of a lot of people hunting them with a 270 and nobody #####es that the bullet is too small. Go for it, hit them in the right place within the gun and your range and laugh all the way to the freezer.
What a crazy thread. My advice is give yourself every break you can. If all you have is a 30/30 than use that and hold out for a close in shot. But if there's a 308 available use it and be thankful you have access to it and use that with the best premium bullets you can afford. It always seems on these threads than many hunters get bored with their hunting rifles. Oh well I've been getting my moose with a 30/06 every year now it's time to try it with a Swiss Army Knife just to see if it can be done.
................your swiss army anaolgy is idiotic. Nobody grabs a .30-.30 "to see if it can be done" Its not a bare minimum at all. I have seen moose drop like a rock from a .30-.30 as well as my .38-55 while i have also seen my father in law have to pump 4 shots into a moose from a 7mm rem mag.
.................There are people out there that have been getting their game meat for 50 years and they wouldn't know what Canadian Gunnutz is or what a WSM caliber is or the latest new fangled 800.00 scope for that matter. They go out and harvest an animal to harvest an animal for food. They don't analyze the #### out of faggy new fangled calibers or yap for hours about the deep penetration of the140 grain barnes yippy skippy bullet. They go out with one tool and get the job done. Too many brainwashed internet heroes nowadays that haven't even seen what a .30-.30 can do. Whatever floats your boat though. If its $1000.00 rifles topped with $800.00 swarovskimacallits then enjoy. For every elitist in the bush carrying range finders, 2000.00 rifles and camo decked from head to toe, there is a fella with an open sighted $200.00 .30-.30 that is just finishing gutting his moose and got the job done. Too each their own.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Win94 said:
Charley cooper, Muskwa Cooper, Ed, Henry and Michelle cardinal, the half the Boucher clan, and likely most of the Fletts as well, the list goes on , eh Win94?
I saw Charley's 94 once, He bought in the early 50's, and I first saw them about '78.
In great shape, and as deadly as the first day he ever shot it.
The 30/30 and .303 Brit are what the oldtimers around here call their
"heavy rifle" , as opposed to a Cooey which would be a "light rifle " for chickens and such.
They usually have some kind of shotgun, almost always a 12 gauge, for ducks
and geese.
Cat
- Location
- AB foothills
Win94 said:
Glad somebody said it right. I fully agree!
Carry on
As for the bear defence and mdl 94 question. You could'nt pick a better gun for it. Easy to carry, safe to carry, large magazine and fast fast fast.
Safe to carry all day with a round in the chamber is the most important part.
Only thing on par with it for saftey is a mauser bolt shroud 3 position saftey.
Just remember (like with any gun) keeping shooting that bear until you hear the hammer go click and then reload fast.
Safe to carry all day with a round in the chamber is the most important part.
Only thing on par with it for saftey is a mauser bolt shroud 3 position saftey.
Just remember (like with any gun) keeping shooting that bear until you hear the hammer go click and then reload fast.
............i have personally gone through maybe twenty rifles in the last two years from doing some horse trading and purchasing on this site. I still have not founf anything that feels better or fits me better than a Win 94
"Nobody grabs a .30-.30 "to see if it can be done"
I beg to differ. There are lots of hunters that consider that. The hunting chat sites are full of full of people wondering if they can get away with less. Lots of people hunting with whatever caliber that's been reliable for moose now wonder if they can use their .243 or else they've been hunting deer and now wonder if the .223 would work. I never did say the 30/30 was inadequate - all I said was if there is a better choice available why wouldn't you use that??
There's enough things that can go wrong when hunting why would you not avail yourself of more performance if it's available. I wasn't trying to piss all over your 30/30.
I beg to differ. There are lots of hunters that consider that. The hunting chat sites are full of full of people wondering if they can get away with less. Lots of people hunting with whatever caliber that's been reliable for moose now wonder if they can use their .243 or else they've been hunting deer and now wonder if the .223 would work. I never did say the 30/30 was inadequate - all I said was if there is a better choice available why wouldn't you use that??
There's enough things that can go wrong when hunting why would you not avail yourself of more performance if it's available. I wasn't trying to piss all over your 30/30.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
PSE said:
With a handle like PSE, are you an archer?
I hunt with longbows, Muzzleloaders, Snider Enfileds, and modern Single shot falling block rifles.
Not because I want to prove something, noyt because I want to " get away withless" , but because I enjoy it.
Never did hunt with a compound or a semi rifle becuase i don't ;ike them, period.
Not because I think they are not as good, too modern or whatever other exciuse some people use.
I use what I do for enjoyment.
When I trapped and guided for a living I used a break action 30/30 for a very long time, not becuase In like it, but because it was a lightweight tool that could be broken down fast and packed awy for hauling or cleaning. I never felt undergunned with it in our part of the country and certainly don't feel undergunned with a Hawken rifle or a Snider either.
'Nuff said,
Cat out
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Great - Use what you want but when someone asks what I would use if presented with a choice of this or that I'll analyaze (sp) what is likely to be more successful under a wide range of conditions and then present him with my opinion based on my experience. My experience says that big moose in my area are not uncommon and ranges out to 200 m down a cut line are also not uncommon and also quartering shots are not uncommon. Given the choice of a 30/30 or a .308 then as far as I'm concerned the .308 is certainly the better option able to handle a wider range of conditions than the 30/30. You are more limited with the 30/30 just like if you were presented with a choice between a .300 and a .308 you would be a little more limited with the .308. Incidently I don't shoot a bow.
Brutus
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This past year, I harvested a very nice whitetail buck at a fairly distant range....however I did practice for three solid months at the outdoor range. Got to the point where I could strike the 10 inch gong from offhand position 9 out of ten times at 200 yards. I had two boxes of winchester silvertip 150 grain, in the last few weekends and saved two rounds for the possiblity of a distant shot. Deer keeled over on the shot, as fast as if I had used my remington 788/scoped 308.......No problem. Buy the way for bear defence I would highly recommend 170 federal ammo with the round nosed, nosler partitions.
Not from my experience , just what I found on the "net," from other hunters.
Not from my experience , just what I found on the "net," from other hunters.
