30-30 vs 303Brit
- Thread starter Dosing
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madtrapper143
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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I always thought a single shot .303 would be nice. Maybe one of the new IZH (Baikal) combo guns could be re-worked in say .303 and 12 gauge. Heck the Russian firm is so flexible that this may be a factory option if enough noise is raised. I have an IZH .22 LR and .410 combo. Solid as a rock and an excellent shooter. The .410 even has choke tubes!
cheers Darryl
cheers Darryl
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
I think i'll take a switch barrel, that way I can have both 
peckerwood
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- PalePony, Yukon
Being a person of utility I have never much cared for what a rifle looks like as appearances have absolutely nothing to do with reliability. An Enfield 303 is far more safer than a lever action and uses a superior cartridge for both hunting, bear defence, and manhandling.
The old Enfields may be ugly to some but their reliability even when grimed and dirty is beauty to me. British 303 all the way
The old Enfields may be ugly to some but their reliability even when grimed and dirty is beauty to me. British 303 all the way
An interesting project would to get a 7.62x39 barrel for an H&R and rechamber it to 303 Brit.John Y Cannuck said:I think i'll take a switch barrel, that way I can have both
So long as the barrel is the standard .311 cal it would work fine.
I'm actually kinda surprised that H&R hasn't offered the 303 and the 6.5x55.:|
Both are popular cartridges and suitable choices for that action.
Mind you, I still lust after a Martini Enfield. :shock:
With a 215gn bullet, a nitro proof barrel and a peep sight it would be a great deer rifle.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
peckerwood said:
Gotta call you on that one.
Prove it!
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- Miramichi, NB
John Y Cannuck said:
I agree.. I have a hard time figuring this one out as well.
I have to agree with SpUtNiK on the LEs, not my favourites....by a long stretch, I mean there was a reason the Brits wanted to dump them in 1913 :idea:
I think I actually owned one, in my name once for 8 days....horrible, thank god I managed to trade it for a real rifle, a nice minty Polish Mosin M44.
I think I actually owned one, in my name once for 8 days....horrible, thank god I managed to trade it for a real rifle, a nice minty Polish Mosin M44.
Your thinking the Ross Rifle...troops "lost" those on a regular basis as soon as they found out the LE was available. Don't get me wrong the Ross is a fine rifle, but it was rather sensitive to mud and other conditions of trench warfare.
The LE has proven itself in many wars for many years, and I have never heard of one blowing up unless some modern bubbah was trying to hot load it after tweaking it to take .308.
Parker Hale Enfield Sportsters are all over the place at approx $150.00, and are one of the few rifles that can legaly use a 10rnd Mag', and what they hit stays hit. What more do you want? :mrgreen:
The LE has proven itself in many wars for many years, and I have never heard of one blowing up unless some modern bubbah was trying to hot load it after tweaking it to take .308.
Parker Hale Enfield Sportsters are all over the place at approx $150.00, and are one of the few rifles that can legaly use a 10rnd Mag', and what they hit stays hit. What more do you want? :mrgreen:
I agree that SMLEs aren't the prettiest rifle out there but then most of them have seen MUCH better days.
In new wood an SMLE can look gorgeous.
And Dosing, M/Ns are no oil painting either. :roll:
The stocks look ungainly and there's no finesse about them at all.
A good No.1 MkIII complete with full wood and muzzle cap can look BRUTAL front on. :twisted:
Cop a look at this baby.....
My buddy hits the gong at 400yds on a regular basis with it.
In new wood an SMLE can look gorgeous.
And Dosing, M/Ns are no oil painting either. :roll:
The stocks look ungainly and there's no finesse about them at all.
A good No.1 MkIII complete with full wood and muzzle cap can look BRUTAL front on. :twisted:
Cop a look at this baby.....
My buddy hits the gong at 400yds on a regular basis with it.
I think it's more accurate to say that the cartridge the P14 was designed for, the .276 Enfield, was an unsuitable battle round.savagefan said:
It fired a 165gn bullet at 2800fps, only around 100fps behind a 7mm Rem Mag! :shock:
Imagine pumping out round after round using that cartridge with a rifle that had a brass buttplate!
And implementing the P14 even for the .303 cartridge was far too expensive at the beginning of a major war. :|
There's nothing wrong with P14s though.
With small modifications they became the M17, America's main battle rifle during WW1.
Y'know, I think the most fascinating thing about the .303 as a cartridge is that it's chambered in at least 5 different good rifles that have their flaws and their strengths:
Martini Enfield - only a single shot, but one of the fastest operating most accurate single shots out there
1895 Winchester - a fast repeater that has few if any drawbacks, with the possible exception of the price they currently fetch.
SMLE - rear locking and fairly weak in todays terms but hard wearing, virtually impossible to kill by abuse in the field and the fastest cycling bolt action battle rifle.
Ross - dangerous if poorly assembled and unsuitable for trench warfare but incredibly strong and astoundingly accurate...probably the most misunderstood action of the 20th century.
Pattern 14 - strong, accurate, reliable and sadly under-utilised.
If you can't find a good gun among those then your too picky and most are inexpensive to boot.
Nuff said.... :mrgreen:
No offence, Tooner, but you're nuts. :roll:TheTooner said:
The reason they pulled out was MONEY!!!
Old blighty has always had problems coming up with the moolah.
The P14 is fine.
It's not that different from the M98 and most of the other European countries were trying to equip themselves with a stronger front locking actioned rifle at the time.
The .276 Enfield was the fly in the ointment.
It would've made a superb hunting round but it was completely inappropriate as a service round.
If that's your point then fair enough.
But to say that the P14 is a mistake just because the SMLE served them well is to suggest that all front locking turn bolt designs are unsuitable, which they clearly are not.
