30.30 VS 7.62 x 39
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Looks like you have some numbers mixed up or your math is outta wack.
All the numbers I used came from a website call: www. Ballistics 101.com
Yes iceman2 I would think inertia would play around, base on bullet weight,MV,ME. If the bullet weight is more (170gr.) than it will require more ME. That said will a 170gr.30/30 Bullet tumble faster than a 123gr 7.62 bullet base on the numbers form above? I don't know, I'm just getting started ,on trying to understand how everything works. There is alot of CNGer out there who do know, hopefully they can help out.
Yes iceman2 I would think inertia would play around, base on bullet weight,MV,ME. If the bullet weight is more (170gr.) than it will require more ME. That said will a 170gr.30/30 Bullet tumble faster than a 123gr 7.62 bullet base on the numbers form above? I don't know, I'm just getting started ,on trying to understand how everything works. There is alot of CNGer out there who do know, hopefully they can help out.
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7.62x39 is good in semi-auto, e.g. you can make 2 shoots vs. 1 shot in 30-30.
The SKS may be semi-auto but I can "lever action" the hell out of my Winchester 94 almost as fast.
As fast maybe but as accurate? Or is the reload as fast with stripper clips?
The SKS may be semi-auto but I can "lever action" the hell out of my Winchester 94 almost as fast.
I'll give you another BS: "you can pump as fast as semi-auto" when it comes to shotguns.
The real truth is that while machine does reloading, I focus on the aim. At the same time, somebody with non-semi are jerking their guns, up and down (lever) or back and forward (pump) focusing on those ###ual maneuvers and could not focus enough on the aim. While it's possible that there could be a person or two who can jerk around and aim, majority of people couldn't keep up in accurate shooting. Yes, I'm one of those people who started to shoot while being 5 years old. I'm the person who would prefer the right O/U, SxS and Semi over 870 pump, but would buy KSG for the price of 3 870s....
Now, for this thread, I do have 30-30 lever. LOL!
The bottom line, you have to understand your tool and be open to both, positives and negatives. Until you figure, why SxS could be better than pump or semi and on what conditions, you didn't reach my level of zen.
You have the 7.62 with a 123 grain with a muzzle velocity of 1653 ft/sec. and a ME of 2430 ft/lbs. I think that is backward. Muzzle velocity of that round is should be 2430 and 1650 ft/sec or so. Also, 7.62x39 with a 112 grain bullet going that velocity is not 3100 ft/lbs. That has to be backward to say the least. The 154 grainer too should only have a muzzle velocity of 2100 fps. I have chronied that one myself. I think that your numbers are backward.
Yep saskcop your right, but you already new that...lol told you I was new to MV,ME thing just got them backwards. Thanks for pointing it out. Base on the new, not ass backward MV,ME that still puts the 30/30 and 7.62x39 in the same ring...right? The winchester 170gr. @ ME of 1827 and MV of 2200. And the Wolf 154gr.@ ME of 1514 and MV of 2104. The wolf bullet size is a little smaller (154gr.) than the 30/30 (170gr.) so they should be just about the same at the finish line. Or what do you think?
My old chronograph recently sh$t the bed, so I purchased a new one from budget shooter supply a couple weeks back. To get familiar with it's use I tested it out with my 858 and a whole bunch of Czech M43. 2275 FPS average 5 feet from the muzzle, pretty much the same as when I tested the same stuff years back.
My SKS legally holds 10 rounds.
I asked about the 7.62 shortie round performance round as a hunting bullet some time ago in the hunting forum. I had a very good response from people who actually used it as a hunting round WITHIN IT'S LIMITATIONS. Of course the .30-30 round has better ballistics, availability, and range of loads; that's not even debatable. What you do get from the SKS is less recoil (so faster target re-acquisition), and the option of a quicker second shot if needed. I shot a nice little buck this year with my SKS, the first game I've taken with this cartridge, and it performed very well at the closer range for which it's intended. As has been said over and over again, bullet placement is everything, but I'll not hesitate to use it again for the area I hunt. I wouldn't want to depend on it for anything heavier than deer though.
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The 7.62X39 and the .30/30 cartridges are are better compared in bolt action rifles so that the arguments over semi-auto vs lever action doesn't muddy the water as to which is more suitable as a hunting round. Frankly, the .30/30 has the advantage; it propels a 150 gr bullet faster than the 7.62X39 does a 125, and a 170 gr faster than the 7.62X39 does a 150. That doesn't mean that the 7.62X39 is unsuitable, it just means that the .30/30 has a ballistic edge, and I know of one incident for sure where a moose was killed as effectively with a 7.62X39 bolt action Ruger as it would have been with any big case .30. However, IMHO, that falls under "just because you can doesn't mean you should." But for someone wanting a short light deer rifle that doesn't kick too hard, or bark too loud, the 7.62X39 has something to offer.
When it comes down to the choice of sporting rifle, now we get into the semantics of personal preference between action types. It can be argued that both a semi-auto and a lever action can be emptied faster than a bolt action, and the semi-auto manages it without the firing hand breaking its grip. But at this juncture we need to consider the specific rifles we are referring to. The .30/30 is most frequently encountered in a traditional lever action rifle, with the best examples usually being the Winchester and Marlin offering, but it can also be had in a hinge action single shot, a bolt action, and a pump. While the 7.62X39 can be found in Ruger and SAKO bolt guns, it is primarily found in semi-auto carbines of the SKS and AK family, although there are some AR-15s chambered for it now. The advantages the AR-15 has over the SKS does not benefit Canadian hunters wishing to carry a gas gun, unless we can get the classification of firearms changed or rescinded. But the difference in practical accuracy between an SKS and an AR-15 is astonishing, if my AR is representative and my experience with SKSs and AKs is typical. These carbines are designed to dominate a fight across pistol ranges and they do so effectively, but I've yet to encounter one that I would want to shoot at a live target with at 200 yards, and 200 yards is still within the envelope of the typical .30/30's capabilities with a good marksman on the trigger.
When it comes down to the choice of sporting rifle, now we get into the semantics of personal preference between action types. It can be argued that both a semi-auto and a lever action can be emptied faster than a bolt action, and the semi-auto manages it without the firing hand breaking its grip. But at this juncture we need to consider the specific rifles we are referring to. The .30/30 is most frequently encountered in a traditional lever action rifle, with the best examples usually being the Winchester and Marlin offering, but it can also be had in a hinge action single shot, a bolt action, and a pump. While the 7.62X39 can be found in Ruger and SAKO bolt guns, it is primarily found in semi-auto carbines of the SKS and AK family, although there are some AR-15s chambered for it now. The advantages the AR-15 has over the SKS does not benefit Canadian hunters wishing to carry a gas gun, unless we can get the classification of firearms changed or rescinded. But the difference in practical accuracy between an SKS and an AR-15 is astonishing, if my AR is representative and my experience with SKSs and AKs is typical. These carbines are designed to dominate a fight across pistol ranges and they do so effectively, but I've yet to encounter one that I would want to shoot at a live target with at 200 yards, and 200 yards is still within the envelope of the typical .30/30's capabilities with a good marksman on the trigger.
It's modified to take LAR mags.
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I don't need to clean my 30-30 in boiling water after each use. Just try shooting your $200 1000rd case of ammo and putting your gun away for a week without boiling it first. Your $159 gun will be worth $1.59.
A good point, you don't necessarily want to be stopping to boil water and oil your gun everytime you take a shot in the survival situation from the original post.
Stop and urinate down the bore, you've just neutralized the corrosive salts right there.
A little bit tougher to master for our female survivalists, but practice makes perfect.
