300 H&H build or look for a factory rifle?

[Rembo]

Don't emasculate such a neat old cartridge by putting it into a brazed together multi-piece bolt, push feed, clip extractor and plunger ejector Remington action. It deserves to be in a Mauser. CZ550, Ruger RSM actions are the obvious choices.

exactly.....I have a nice medium sporter A&B 30 cal blank that would make a good H&H...just need the right action.....and a 700 aint it....

 

[Ardent]

just get a 300 Win Mag...the modern 300 H&H......nostalgia is for movies....

I like the .300 H&H better, even given the choice, nicer to load (very long neck), nicer to cycle (tapered case), less likely to stick on hot days (same as previous) etc. Nothing wrong with .300 Win, but I don't see an advantage to it, in fact I see it as a disadvantage as I like 200gr bullets for .30 cal, and the H&H suits these better.

 

[Boomer]

I like the .300 H&H better, even given the choice, nicer to load (very long neck), nicer to cycle (tapered case), less likely to stick on hot days (same as previous) etc. Nothing wrong with .300 Win, but I don't see an advantage to it, in fact I see it as a disadvantage as I like 200gr bullets for .30 cal, and the H&H suits these better.

Not only do I like the .300 H&H better than the Winchester I think its a better cartridge. The short neck of the .300 Winchester leaves much to be desired, and when loading heavy for caliber bullets, the H&H produces higher velocity. If I wasn't so hung up on the .30/06 I'd probably have one.

 

[X-fan]

As much as I like the 300H&H I don't think it is any better or worse than the 300WIn.

As far as long range accuracy goes in places like Williamsport (where high winds are normal) it has been a long time since the 300H&H last took first place. 300 Winchesters are still used in competition and continue to win.
FWIW the 308 baer (300Wby with a blown out Ackley or conventional shoulder) is currently the winningest combination among the big rounds

I shoot a few 300 Winchesters and mainly feed them 200 grain or heavier bullets. I have yet to see the disadvantage of the short neck design? Perhaps I am missing something?

 

[Toomanyguns]

How about we talk fuel economy or tires for a while. lol

 

[Ardent]

As much as I like the 300H&H I don't think it is any better or worse than the 300WIn.

As far as long range accuracy goes in places like Williamsport (where high winds are normal) it has been a long time since the 300H&H last took first place. 300 Winchesters are still used in competition and continue to win.
FWIW the 308 baer (300Wby with a blown out Ackley or conventional shoulder) is currently the winningest combination among the big rounds

I shoot a few 300 Winchesters and mainly feed them 200 grain or heavier bullets. I have yet to see the disadvantage of the short neck design? Perhaps I am missing something?

Two things, you're running a shorter action, which eats up case capacity in the Win Mag with heavies, and the .300 H&H is more efficient as well, it launches 200gr bullets 50+fps faster on an identical powder charge (H4831 taken as an example), at a lower pressure too. Fuel economy and tires indeed! You get a better grip on the bullet with the longer neck, for rough hunting situations. The H&H isn't a bench rest cartridge, it's a hunting cartridge, so doesn't really matter what shoots a .25 MOA tighter. The 'ole H&H is the perfect mid range .300 in my books.

 

[Toomanyguns]

300 H&H. A smooth feeding hunting cartridge. A wonderful caliber for a man that hunts.

 

[rgv]

the .300 H&H is more efficient as well, it launches 200gr bullets 50+fps faster on an identical powder charge (H4831 taken as an example), at a lower pressure too.

the H&H can defy the laws of physics too?

 

[RickF]

the H&H can defy the laws of physics too?

You put the same charge in a smaller case and that'll happen!

 

[rgv]

You put the same charge in a smaller case and that'll happen!

not with lower pressure it won;t happen

the .300 H&H is more efficient as well, it launches 200gr bullets 50+fps faster on an identical powder charge (H4831 taken as an example), at a lower pressure too.

 

[RickF]

I agree, just funnin'. Don 't forget it kicks less too.

 

[X-fan]

the H&H can defy the laws of physics too?

LMAO 300H&H the new 300WSM

It is a great round with some unique design characteristics along own with performance that pretty well matches the 300 Winchester...What more can you say?

Good stuff worth owning.

 

[X-fan]

Two things, you're running a shorter action, which eats up case capacity in the Win Mag with heavies, and the .300 H&H is more efficient as well, it launches 200gr bullets 50+fps faster on an identical powder charge (H4831 taken as an example), at a lower pressure too. Fuel economy and tires indeed! You get a better grip on the bullet with the longer neck, for rough hunting situations. The H&H isn't a bench rest cartridge, it's a hunting cartridge, so doesn't really matter what shoots a .25 MOA tighter. The 'ole H&H is the perfect mid range .300 in my books.

I run a long action, but on a short action this may be true.

I shoot 200gr Partitions with pinpoint accuracy at 2950-2970fps I can extend that to a bit over 3000fps, but accuracy falls off....I don't believe the 300H&H can match that?

I have tried to move a seated bullet by pressing the bullet as hard into my reloading bench (left a dent in the bench).....Nope! Did not move nor have I ever heard of a bullet moving in the 300Win.

 

[redlaker1]

advantages... disadvantages... I have the holland and holland because its interesting. I'm not the tenth guy at hunt camp with the 300 win mag, 7 rem mag, or 30-06. I'm the guy with the 300what? and the guy with enough 300h&h brass to last 5 lifetimes

 

[longbranch*]

.300 h+h

This is my current .300 H+H. Have owned an F.N. Supreme and Pre-64 M70 that were chambered in this calibre in the past. I decided on the P17 action due to it's length which required opening up only at the rear of the action. My old F.N. was of course a 98 which requires metal removal from the feed ramp. This can sometimes cause the lugs to set-back resulting in head-space problems. This F.N. had spent many years in Africa apparently and may have seen many rounds fired in extremely hot conditions that may have caused this. Have heard of other 98's with this issue, but remember the British makers built many 98 actioned rifles that required opening up, not all were Magnum actions. Below is my 1917 Enfield (P17). Plan to do another .300 on a 98 soon to replace this one.

 

[Ardent]

the H&H can defy the laws of physics too?

Ha! I of all people should have noticed my folly. Should say the .300 H&H runs at a lower pressure limit, not that it's lower in the example of that load necessarily. My ignorant and enthusiasm-fired mistake.

I run a long action, but on a short action this may be true.

I shoot 200gr Partitions with pinpoint accuracy at 2950-2970fps I can extend that to a bit over 3000fps, but accuracy falls off....I don't believe the 300H&H can match that?

I have tried to move a seated bullet by pressing the bullet as hard into my reloading bench (left a dent in the bench).....Nope! Did not move nor have I ever heard of a bullet moving in the 300Win.

The .300 H&H can indeed "hot load" above published data just like the Win Mag, and infact outrun the Win Mag there too. Big reason is the longer actions the H&H is in. My .375 H&H Ruger RSM's mag box is just under 4" for instance, and most H&H load data is held to the lowest common denominator for 3.7" mag boxes, that extra third of an inch lets you run a lot more powder, safely and below pressure limits, by seating out further. The long neck handles this perfectly too. Where the .300 Win Mag can just squeek above 3000 in some rifles, the H&H will easily hold it's same 50+fps advantage when "loading hot" too. Both are great cartridges, and lets be frank 50 or 100fps doesn't make a difference on game. Mostly, showing the H&H is anything but obselete, and if anything, has an edge if you're willing to pay for the actions that house it. I am. Now as for 220gr loadings... the H&H just keeps "climbing" over the Win Mag there.

 

[Toomanyguns]

I love the Brno zkk602 375 H&H magazine and chamber dimensions. Allows one to seat bullets further out and safely increase the powder charge as stated above. Advantageous for those that use the long TSX bullets. I'm going to run it up to the upper limit and observe the real world results.

A bit off the 300 H&H topic but similar.

 

[Ardent]

I've got a spare BRNO ZKK602 if anyone's looking to do a project .300 H&H, or anything big for that matter as the .375 can be opened up for any bolt face. Probably the best action you could pick for such a job, and the #1 rifle you'll see in the hands of African PH's. Had plans for the action, as it has an amazing 6+1 .300 or .375 H&H capacity , or 5 large magnums. However, looking like projects must wait, work, travel, etc etc aren't letting me get away.

 

[BigUglyMan]

"A spare 602"... You bastard. You know I've got a .510" blank in my closet, don't you!

 

[444shooter]

I've got a spare BRNO ZKK602 if anyone's looking to do a project .300 H&H, or anything big for that matter as the .375 can be opened up for any bolt face. Probably the best action you could pick for such a job, and the #1 rifle you'll see in the hands of African PH's. Had plans for the action, as it has an amazing 6+1 .300 or .375 H&H capacity , or 5 large magnums. However, looking like projects must wait, work, travel, etc etc aren't letting me get away.

Hmm, how much you asking?