.300 wsm and/or .300 rum

Ghost wolf QC said:
Right..
:)

but for hunting rifle .300wsm is ok.
Is NOT for fire all day on a paper target..
For paper target I will buy .223/.22mag/.17hmr
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Go with what you want, spending lots of money on something you don't really want is dumb. If you just use it for hunting extra recoil is managable, but for use when sighting in a leadsled from caldwell with sand bags or bags of shot takes away the recoil. Getting a 22 is a good idea to allow you to practice your form and they are cheap to shoot.

:dancingbanana:
 
Wrong Way said:
Seriously, I know as a young/new shooter, you firmly believe that your #### will fall off if you don't hunt with something that has "magnum" stamped on the barrel, but trust me.....it wont.
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This should be recommended reading for any new shooter.
 
Dorian Gray said:
Ghost wolf,

I'm from a little town just across the border from you. Near Timmins. I've been to Val D'or many, many times. Now i know we are a world apart in culture and language but distance wise, we're not that far apart. That being said, from what i've seen there is pretty much no difference in the type of ground we hunt. The only way you would ever need a magnum cartridge is if you hunt very big fields or shoot really far in logging cuts. I'm talking 500 or 600 hundred yard shots here. More often than not, most guys can't accuratly shoot that far.

Most moose here in ontario, and i would suspect most of the rest of canada are shot within 200 yards. So there is no need for either 300wsm or 300rum. A good accurate 30-06 will kill out to 600 yards or more if you do your part and shoot properly so why not look into something like that? The 30-06 is almost a magnum cartridge itself anyway. Buy what you want to buy but a light rifle chambered in a magnum cartridge is not a good idea in my opinion. If you get one, make sure you add a very nice recoil pad. Good luck.

Dorian
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bang on. :)

If you really want a magnum and can handle it....just buy one....I think you have all the info you need to make a good decision.
 
you should buy a .338rum. top it with a tasco. spray paint the whole thing tremclad green. take lots of pictures wearing blaze orange.

I love Quebec hunters :)
 
I wouldn't waste any time thinking about it until you are ready to purchase. The ladies will just fill you with thier opinions. I this, me that, him say this, he do that........................It really gets to be nauseous.
 
I think you need to think of a rifle as a complete package.

The long range specialist.
The 10 pound Remington Sendero type of rifle...In other words a platform most suitable for long range shooting and engaging targets at extreme range.
Chambered in something like the 300Rum/300Win/338RUM/7mm mag.
Wants a big adjustable target type of scope.
Not so good at close range.
Not something often seen in the mountains.
In the right hands is very stable for off hand shooting.
Very specialized.

The do all.
The do all is the ultimate compromise and the rifle most often seen.
Best at around 8.5 pounds in a well balanced stock/barrel contour.
Best chamberings are the 30-06/7mag/300 Win/300WSM/8 mag/338Win/340Wby.
Said combination is fast shooting, easily capable of 400 yard shots in the right hands, is light enough to pack up a mountain, yet is stable enough for off hand shooting.
Wants a modest weight 3.5-10X40 scope.
IMHO this is the best place for your 300WSM.

The Ultra light.
The is the mountain hunters wet dream.
Runs from 5 pounds to 7 pounds though it seems the lighter the better.
Best chamberings are 260/270/70-08/280/30-06.
These are light, fast handling, easy to carry all day packages that are best suited to mountain hunting and quick action still hunting.
Like anything else these rifles are a compromise. They aren't as steady off hand, kick more, and aren't generally as good at shooting 300yds plus as the do all, but in the right hands they will do the job.
Best with a light 4X fixed or 2.5-8X32.
Not as use specific as the long range specialist, but a specialist non the less. Make no illusion this is a compromise rifle.
IMHO a poor choice for a beginner, a one gun hunter, the box a year hunter, or a 300/338Mag.

All these classes have hybrids and can be modified or adapted by and to the individual, but as a new shooter I would pay attention to the do all rifle.
 
30-06 / .308 have very little bit less recoil AT .300 WSM ...


Cartridge (Wb@MV) ----- Rifle Weight ----- Recoil energy ----- Recoil velocity

.17 HMR (17 at 2550) ------7.5---------------- 0.2----------------- n/a
.204 Ruger (33 at 4225) ----8.5---------------- 2.6----------------- 4.4
.22 LR (40 at 1165) ---------4.0--------------- 0.2----------------- n/a
.22 WMR (40 at 1910) ------6.75--------------- 0.4----------------- n/a
.223 Rem. (55 at 3200) -----8.0---------------- 3.2----------------- 5.1
.223 Rem. (62 at 3025) ------7.0--------------- 3.9------------------ 6.0
.22-250 Rem. (55 at 3600) ---8.5--------------- 4.7----------------- 6.0
.220 Swift (55 at 3800) ----- 8.5--------------- 5.3------------------ 6.4
.243 Win. (75 at 3400) -------8.5--------------- 7.2----------------- 7.4
.243 Win. (100 at 2960) ------7.5--------------- 8.8------------------ 8.7
6mm Rem. (100 at 3100) ----- 8.0-------------- 10.0----------------- 9.0
.243 WSSM (100 at 3100) ----7.5--------------- 10.1----------------- 9.3
.240 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3406)- 8.0------------- 17.9------------------ n/a
.25-35 Win. (117 at 2230) ----6.5--------------- 7.0------------------ 8.3
.250 Savage (100 at 2900) ----7.5-------------- 7.8------------------- 8.2
.257 Roberts (120 at 2800) ----8.0-------------- 10.7----------------- 9.3
.25 WSSM (120 at 2990) ------7.25------------- 13.8------------------ 11.1
.25-06 Rem. (120 at 3000) ---- 8.0-------------- 12.5----------------- 10.0
.270 Win. (130 at 3140) ------- 8.0------------- 16.5------------------- n/a
.270 Win. (150 at 2900)-------- 8.0------------- 17.0------------------ 11.7
.270 WSM (150 at 3000)------- 8.0------------- 18.9------------------- 12.3

7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 8.0 12.6 10.1
7mm WSM (160 at 3000) 8.0 21.9 13.3
7mm Rem. Mag. (150 at 3100) 8.5 19.2 12.1
.30-30 Win. (150 at 2400) 7.5 10.6 9.5
.30-30 Win. (170 at 2200) 7.5 11.0 9.7

+++ .308 Win. (150 at 2800) ----7.5----------------15.8------------------11.7
+++ .308 Win. (180 at 2610) ----8.0----------------17.5------------------11.9

+++ .30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910)---- 8.0----------------17.6------------------11.9
+++ .30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) ----8.0----------------20.3------------------12.8

+++ .300 WSM (180 at 2970) ----8.25------------------23.8------------------13.6

.300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2960) 8.5 25.9 14.0
.300 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3400) 9.25 24.6 13.1
.300 Ultra Mag. (180 at 3230) 8.5 32.8 15.8
.303 British (180 at 2420) -------8.0------------------ 15.4------------------- 11.1
.325 WSM (180 at 3060) 7.5 33.1 16.9
.338 Marlin Express (200 at 2400) 8.0 16.2 11.4
.338 Federal (210 at 2630) 8.0 21.9 13.3
.338 Win. Mag. (200 at 2950) 8.5 32.8 15.8
.338 Win. Mag. (250 at 2700) 9.0 33.1 15.4
.338 Ultra Mag (250 at 2860) 8.5 43.1 n/a
.357 Mag. (158 at 1650) 7.0 4.7 6.6
.35 Rem. (200 at 2050) 7.5 13.5 10.8
.375 Ruger (270 at 2840) 9.0 41.3 17.2
.375 H&H Mag. (270 at 2690) 9.0 36.1 16.1
.375 Ultra Mag (300 at 2800) 8.75 53.2 n/a
.416 Rem. Mag. (400 at 2400) 10.0 52.9 18.5
.416 Rigby (400 at 2400) 10.0 58.1 19.3
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1760) 7.5 11.2 9.8
.444 Marlin (240 at 2400) 7.5 23.3 14.2
.45-70 (300 at 1800) ------------7.0--------------------- 23.9-----------------14.8
.45-70 (405 at 1330) ------------7.5--------------------- 18.7-----------------12.7
.50 BMG (647 at 2710) 30.0 70.0 12.3

Rifle Recoil Table
By Chuck Hawks
 
Ghost wolf QC said:
30-06 / .308 have very little bit less recoil AT .300 WSM ...


Cartridge (Wb@MV) ----- Rifle Weight ----- Recoil energy ----- Recoil velocity

.17 HMR (17 at 2550) ------7.5---------------- 0.2----------------- n/a
.204 Ruger (33 at 4225) ----8.5---------------- 2.6----------------- 4.4
.22 LR (40 at 1165) ---------4.0--------------- 0.2----------------- n/a
.22 WMR (40 at 1910) ------6.75--------------- 0.4----------------- n/a
.223 Rem. (55 at 3200) -----8.0---------------- 3.2----------------- 5.1
.223 Rem. (62 at 3025) ------7.0--------------- 3.9------------------ 6.0
.22-250 Rem. (55 at 3600) ---8.5--------------- 4.7----------------- 6.0
.220 Swift (55 at 3800) ----- 8.5--------------- 5.3------------------ 6.4
.243 Win. (75 at 3400) -------8.5--------------- 7.2----------------- 7.4
.243 Win. (100 at 2960) ------7.5--------------- 8.8------------------ 8.7
6mm Rem. (100 at 3100) ----- 8.0-------------- 10.0----------------- 9.0
.243 WSSM (100 at 3100) ----7.5--------------- 10.1----------------- 9.3
.240 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3406)- 8.0------------- 17.9------------------ n/a
.25-35 Win. (117 at 2230) ----6.5--------------- 7.0------------------ 8.3
.250 Savage (100 at 2900) ----7.5-------------- 7.8------------------- 8.2
.257 Roberts (120 at 2800) ----8.0-------------- 10.7----------------- 9.3
.25 WSSM (120 at 2990) ------7.25------------- 13.8------------------ 11.1
.25-06 Rem. (120 at 3000) ---- 8.0-------------- 12.5----------------- 10.0
.270 Win. (130 at 3140) ------- 8.0------------- 16.5------------------- n/a
.270 Win. (150 at 2900)-------- 8.0------------- 17.0------------------ 11.7
.270 WSM (150 at 3000)------- 8.0------------- 18.9------------------- 12.3

7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 8.0 12.6 10.1
7mm WSM (160 at 3000) 8.0 21.9 13.3
7mm Rem. Mag. (150 at 3100) 8.5 19.2 12.1
.30-30 Win. (150 at 2400) 7.5 10.6 9.5
.30-30 Win. (170 at 2200) 7.5 11.0 9.7

+++ .308 Win. (150 at 2800) ----7.5----------------15.8------------------11.7
+++ .308 Win. (180 at 2610) ----8.0----------------17.5------------------11.9

+++ .30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910)---- 8.0----------------17.6------------------11.9
+++ .30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) ----8.0----------------20.3------------------12.8

+++ .300 WSM (180 at 2970) ----8.25------------------23.8------------------13.6

.300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2960) 8.5 25.9 14.0
.300 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3400) 9.25 24.6 13.1
.300 Ultra Mag. (180 at 3230) 8.5 32.8 15.8
.303 British (180 at 2420) -------8.0------------------ 15.4------------------- 11.1
.325 WSM (180 at 3060) 7.5 33.1 16.9
.338 Marlin Express (200 at 2400) 8.0 16.2 11.4
.338 Federal (210 at 2630) 8.0 21.9 13.3
.338 Win. Mag. (200 at 2950) 8.5 32.8 15.8
.338 Win. Mag. (250 at 2700) 9.0 33.1 15.4
.338 Ultra Mag (250 at 2860) 8.5 43.1 n/a
.357 Mag. (158 at 1650) 7.0 4.7 6.6
.35 Rem. (200 at 2050) 7.5 13.5 10.8
.375 Ruger (270 at 2840) 9.0 41.3 17.2
.375 H&H Mag. (270 at 2690) 9.0 36.1 16.1
.375 Ultra Mag (300 at 2800) 8.75 53.2 n/a
.416 Rem. Mag. (400 at 2400) 10.0 52.9 18.5
.416 Rigby (400 at 2400) 10.0 58.1 19.3
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1760) 7.5 11.2 9.8
.444 Marlin (240 at 2400) 7.5 23.3 14.2
.45-70 (300 at 1800) ------------7.0--------------------- 23.9-----------------14.8
.45-70 (405 at 1330) ------------7.5--------------------- 18.7-----------------12.7
.50 BMG (647 at 2710) 30.0 70.0 12.3

Rifle Recoil Table
By Chuck Hawks
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;)
This Rifle Recoil Table lie ?
 
I call BS on that chart. It puts the .338 federal and the 300 WSM pretty much on par....I own a 77 in BOTH chamberings and the .338 fed is a pussycat compared to the WSM.

Ghost Wolf, make the drive down.....you can shoot my WSM until you cry (and you will ;) )

Maybe the recoil will rattle your head around enough that it'll accept some common sense :D
 
Ghost wolf QC said:
;)
This Rifle Recoil Table lie ?
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A 7.5lb 300WSM with a 180gr bullet at 2970fps will have about 25 ft/lbs of recoil energy, about 10ft lbs more than a .308 of the same weight.

.308, 30-06, 300WSM- all will kill a moose dead at the ranges you will be shooting. It really won't make a difference to the moose.

But get the 300WSM, if you want it. It's cooler....
 
I agree, .300 wsm for paper target are VERY-very bad idea ! (recoil / ammunition cost)
But is for Hunt...

thank for comment (bad or good (for me)) I don't have same preference at you but I respect you're experience / knowlege and you're right, .300 wsm is more I need...
 
Amphibious said:
you should buy a .338rum. top it with a tasco. spray paint the whole thing tremclad green. take lots of pictures wearing blaze orange.

I love Quebec hunters :)
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fackoff!!!:p don't put us all in the same boat as this funnyguy.


Ghost Wolf,

Si tu veut vraiment épater t'es chum, touve toi un kimber en .260rem. Tes chum vont rire de toi avec ton pti calibre de fife mais, tu pourra te venter lorsque tu ferra planter un gros mastadone d'une seul shot.
 
Ghost I shoot a 300RUM with a muzzle brake. Lots of guys here don't like muzzle brakes but I do. Always have. So if you want the extra performance of the WSM then buy it and get a brake put on. Then it will only kick like a 150gr .308 load. You get the best of both worlds. Let the flaming of the muzzle brake begin.......!
 
Goose25 said:
fackoff!!!:p don't put us all in the same boat as this funnyguy.


Ghost Wolf,

Si tu veut vraiment épater t'es chum, touve toi un kimber en .260rem. Tes chum vont rire de toi avec ton pti calibre de fife mais, tu pourra te venter lorsque tu ferra planter un gros mastadone d'une seul shot.
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hahaha..

"sais tu qu'une munition .300wsm est a peine plus gros qu'une pile "AA" ?
Si je voudrais impressioner quelqu.un je voudrais un 416 rigby/.338 lapua /.50 bmg...

ce qui me plais du 300 wsm c'est justement le rapport grosseur/performance, (((Petit))) mais tres performant, puissant, recul raisonable, action courte...
Et.. j'ai personne a épater saufe moi meme...
En réalité c'est ce calibre qui m'épate !.. "

:)
 
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