305 Conversion to SOCOM

That is correct, Dycor are building them. I've seen the number 2 rifle and it does look good but I doubt it is costing more than $1000 and to make, and with the standard 30% that comes to $1300. I know for a fact that they were making a good profit on $1400 and they have the rifles sold before they even hit the shelves. That equates to a very good profit. As I said before, the rifle is nice and it is not a question of that or necessarily the price, but the principle. Just because you know you can get a hefty price for something doesn't mean you do not honor your original qoute by simply saying "fine don't buy it". Maybe I'm over reacting.
 
Wolverine had my Norc barrel cut done to 18.7" and a AR F H reamed out and installed for $130 + $20.00 shipping from them to me + taxes. John has the work done by an outside source...Bob
 
Just a note that Jeff at VGS has posted some details of the M14 SOCOM mods on his website:http://www.smithtac.com/Customgunsmithing.html

I believe that he stocks R33 parts as well. For those who havent dealt with him before he does great work.

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What is the impact on the performanceof the rifle when the barrel is cut down to 18.5 inches. I would think that the velocity of the bullet is reduced. Does the cutting of the barrel have any impact on accuracy?
 
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Sorry to hear about your issue at P&D Skooch but you are not the first one...I heard stories from other people also in the same boat. For myself, I have never had any issues w/them just positive stuff except being a bit pricy compared to past deals..
 
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Don't get me wrong. They do have great customer service, they are just trying to make as much as they can on stuff. I mean if someone is willing to pay an exta 20-30% then why not try and capitalize on it. I will still deal with them but will be more causious on what I spend. Again, this is just my experiance and I have had far more positive experiances with them than bad. I just feel that given our history I would have gotten a little more. This is a buyer beware industry so I have no one to blame but myself. I, however, will get my SOCOM elsewhere. They were willing to work with me to help with my satisfaction, but the price is firm. No problem, I took the option "not to buy it if I don't want to". Out of the shops I have dealt with (and it has been many) they are still one of the best, just don't trust everything you hear.
 
C Broad Arrow, to answer your question. I was told that you will loose aprox 50fps per inch of barrel. I had one cut down before and the accuracy was the same as the standard rifle.
 
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C Broad Arrow, to answer your question. I was told that you will loose aprox 50fps per inch of barrel. I had one cut down before and the accuracy was the same as the standard rifle.
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Many thanks for the reply...50 fps is not that much of a sacrifice for a 7.62.
 
Thats a shame with P&D. I have to admit that they have great Business sense. At wholesale the Norinco M305 plus a few "custom modifications" You have a light, accurate, reliable non restricted rifle in 7.62. At about half of the cost of a SA SOCOM or M1A1 type.

I found and finished both my M14s (SOCOM & scoped M24 type) with the help of this board (E/E) and Skullboys how-to-do-it yourself thread :) .. for the cost of one P&D SOCOM.
 
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skooch said:
That is correct, Dycor are building them. I've seen the number 2 rifle and it does look good but I doubt it is costing more than $1000 and to make, and with the standard 30% that comes to $1300. I know for a fact that they were making a good profit on $1400 and they have the rifles sold before they even hit the shelves. That equates to a very good profit. As I said before, the rifle is nice and it is not a question of that or necessarily the price, but the principle. Just because you know you can get a hefty price for something doesn't mean you do not honor your original qoute by simply saying "fine don't buy it". Maybe I'm over reacting.
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The No 2 P&D Special is owned by one of my buddies & we're gonna shot it on the weekend...Give ya some data on the weekend...the Black one w/ the AR style muzzle break you saw.:)
 
Has anyone converted a M305 to a SOCOM type configuration, including the shortened barrel?
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4 pages and not a single person has tried to answer the original question. Having a barrel cut down to 18.5 inches is not what I would call a SOCOM 16 conversion, people have been doing this since way before the SOCOM became available.

C broad arrow, have you contacted Wolverine supplies to see if they will sell you a 16" barrel and gas lock/muzzle break seperately from the complete rifle? If not then you could try Springfield directly but that's all that I can think of.
 
I guess no one's replied directly to the original question because a 16" barrel length isn't a popular configuration in Canada because of the dumbass gun laws we have. Of course people should be allowed to own whatever they want, but the 2.5" shorter barrel confines you to a range-only gun.
 
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Let us NOT lose sight of the fact that this is supposed to be the MAIN BATTLE RIFLE forum, NOT the CQB/Carbine section. To those that have never done PRACTICAL rifle against a stopwatch [or worse] there IS quite a difference between these two concepts.

I am GENUINELY appalled at the very thought of a 7.62 NATO BATTLE rifle being turned into a short barreled CQB weapon. Genuinely appalled, I say!!
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This is coming from a gun butcher who has put MANY M-14 rifle barrels and a couple of AR 10 barrels into the Balvar 3/4 HP bench grinder until they measured in at 18.6 inches. Why anyone would want to shoot full powered 7.62 NATO from a barrel shorter than 18.5", or even 5.56 NATO from a barrel shorter than 16" is beyond me?? Just what exactly is the point of the exercise????

Short barrels and supposed CQB weapons are better off fed with 7.62X39 Russian or .300 Whisper... less blast, flash, and lower recoil = hits, and not NOISEY MISSES.

That being said, there WAS a weird and wunnerful M-14 SHORTY that used a tricky M-60 Gas assembly. Full R&R was an option. Supposedly reliable with as short a barrel as you could ever want. I think Ron Smith and Tim LaFrance did these.
LAZ
 
PS: I just moved my DO IT YOURSELF slice and dice M-14 Carbine/shorty/ whatever you want to call them
to:

http://www.members.shaw.ca/lazerus2000/m14.htm

No big deal mon...I've been doing these for over 20 years ... and I've sworn I've done my last.

Speaking for myself, much as I love the old warhorse, time to give the M-14 a rest, and leap into the new millenium.
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Bob-Nice Blaster. I can't believe I'm asking this but how did the King Arms RAS hold up? Does it seem sturdy? Does it hold zero? How much does it weigh? Price?

Lazerus- chill out man.
 
Hmmm....?
I have personally fired 7.62 NATO ball on R&R through an M-14, an AR 10, an FN C1A1, plus mucho rounds through the old FN C2.

"Pretty controllable" would NOT be how I would describe the M-14. The C1 was better ... mostly due to the pistol grip. The C2 was pretty good, but then it weighed more. [ C2 to to the left, C2 to the right, stand up sit down, fight, fight, fight.]

The AR 10 was the best on R&R ... almost no muzzle rise, just a straight push back, and the HEAVY recoil buffer and bolt sort of did a "shuck and jive" shuffle, soaking up recoil and helping to hold the muzzle down.

With a very solid, very deep "left forward stance", for me all three "Battle Rifles" would keep 3-5 shot bursts on an IPSC sil at 25 yds from the shoulder. Trigger control was vital ...short bursts were required for any semblance of "control".

Of course, back in the day, we did NOT have modern, effective muzzle brakes.

The point I am attempting to make, is that a BATTLE rifle is NOT designed nor optimised for CQB. Attempting to turn an M-14 into a CQB weapon is a lot like trying to get a Clydesdale to cut cattle ... there are better tools for the job.
LAZ
 
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