.308 vs 30-06 accuracy

I can get MOA out of my wife's '06, which is a 6 pound hunting rifle. I can get .25 MOA and tighter out of my .308 which is a 20 pound target rifle. Who cares, in the field with a hunting rifle you cannot make use out of the difference. You can however make use out of the '06's flatter trajectory with heavier bullets. If the .308 has any advantage, it is that the rifle can be made shorter and lighter. The '06 wins if you need .30 caliber bullets heavier than 165 grains.
 
I've to agree with "Cat".You would be surprised about the accuracy potential of the 30-06.It is easy to proclaim that the 308 is better than the 06,when the 06 is barely seen in competition shoots.My custom Mauser with 26"Walther Polygon barrel was amazingly accurate and compared to other quality 308,there was no apparant distinction in the accuraxy department.If i were to choose a gun for hunting and long range targeting.It would be the venerable 06,as it has more potential with heavier bullets.
 
On the other hand, the 30.06 was the darling of long range shooters until they found the 300 Holland and Holland! This was replaced in the 50's by the 308!

If the 30.06 is just as accurate and has more potential with heavier bullets, then why is it not being used?

I have to say, that the 308 has the edge in this argurement! Btw, I don't have either chambered in a rifle that I own!
 
Gibbs505 said:
On the other hand, the 30.06 was the darling of long range shooters until they found the 300 Holland and Holland! This was replaced in the 50's by the 308!

If the 30.06 is just as accurate and has more potential with heavier bullets, then why is it not being used?

I have to say, that the 308 has the edge in this argurement! Btw, I don't have either chambered in a rifle that I own!
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The only advantage the .308 has is in public perception.

Cat
 
Whatever...:rolleyes:

Look at the results from long-range shoots like Camp Perry.

As soon as the 7.62/.308 appeared on the scene, it was
destroying the .30-06 scores...

And this has nothing to do with numbers fielded.

Shorter cartridge, less projectile to case contact...easy math.

Out in the field doing what one does in hunting,
they both do just fine.
 
Any advantage over the other in accuracy is so small it wont make a lick of difference when hunting.

If you are only shooting paper/silhouette targets, just buy a 7mm08 instead!:D :p
 
GALIL Man said:
Whatever...:rolleyes:

Look at the results from long-range shoots like Camp Perry.

As soon as the 7.62/.308 appeared on the scene, it was
destroying the .30-06 scores...

And this has nothing to do with numbers fielded.

Shorter cartridge, less projectile to case contact...easy math.

Out in the field doing what one does in hunting,
they both do just fine.
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Wher ethey using the same rifles, just different chamberings?
 
When they switched over to 308,the first couple of years ,the 30-06 won the matches,then they sorted out the 308.But those are match rifles.

Last weekend I sighted in my son's 30-06 A-bolt for him. Less than 5/8" groups with 180 Interbonds,no less. I have found Interbonds to be more accurate Partions ,less than SSTs,around a MOA.
 
Gatehouse said:
Wher ethey using the same rifles, just different chamberings?
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Moot point, you compare hunting rifles to hunting rifles.
The target shooters can be considered to be using similiar equipment!

The point is the target shooters used the 30.06 then shiftered en-mass to the 308, That cannot be denyed. The current darling of the benchrest crowd is the 6.5-284 wildcat to the best of my knowledge.

For sporting rifles, it is strictly a matter of personal preference!
 
Gibbs505 said:
Moot point, you compare hunting rifles to hunting rifles.
The target shooters can be considered to be using similiar equipment!

The point is the target shooters used the 30.06 then shiftered en-mass to the 308, That cannot be denyed. The current darling of the benchrest crowd is the 6.5-284 wildcat to the best of my knowledge.

For sporting rifles, it is strictly a matter of personal preference!
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One reason for the shift was ammo avilability and competition regulations. the Palma match, etc.
This has nothing to do with the accuracy or inaccurcay of either cartridge, but the rules and regs involving target shooting in the States.
The 6.5X284 is there , of course, but so are a whole bunch of others.
It all depends on the competition format.

Hunting rifles are a complete different ball game, and I still contend there is no difference except for the shooter capabilities.

I load a whole lot more .308's for people up here than I do 30'06, but that is just me.
I actully prefer the .308 for a hunting round, but would not own a 30'06 in a range rifle , for the recoil faxctor.
that's it.
Cat out!
 
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My factory stock, 3rd (I think?) owner 700 in 30-06 will touch holes at 100 yards if I hold steady...

I don't have a 308 to compare it to...
 
Gatehouse said:
Generally, the presence of a ? indicates a QUESTION is being asked, rather than a point being made.

Can anyone answer the question?
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OK that is a generrally impossible question to answer. Match shooters use match rifles which by defination are custom made! And even factory rifles in the same chambering may have different peferances for ammo!

However you can follow the trends and very few, if any match shooters use the 30.06 for shooting except in militry shoot, using militry rifles.
 
I was assuming that it was military matchs that was being refered to here, so that a tuned service rifle was required, so that there woudl clearly be different rifle types (30-06 in M1 and the Springfield, .308 in M-14, etc)

I suppose this is not the case.:eek:
 
Exactly, and the Palma match was at one time a militwary match.
308 service ammo and military match rifle.
Haven't seen a Springfield in use by the U.S. Military for some time now!
They didn't quit using the '06 because of it's inaccuracy, one o fht e resons was it toook a long action to feed it! ( but that's a whole new argument)!!
Cat
 
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mr00jimbo said:
Do you think for 85-90% range and "plinking" purposes, and 10-15% hunting purposes, the 700 SPS SS in .308 would make me happier?
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My two sps's felt like they had gravel in the actions, went with a new classic savage in .308 with 22" barrel and couldnt be happier, smooth as glass and accutrigger, awesome finish, just way better all around. once you are past the old savage stigma, try one, you will be totally happy
 
I didn't pay too much attention,it's not one of my interests,but down in the states some NRA? matches used miltary cartridges.So both 308 and 30-06 were used concurrently.After the 308 got sorted out,it was the clear winner.I am sure about that.It sorta stands to reason since the 308 burns less powder,you will get a more consistant fire.

What does a '50s match results mean really,not a damm thing.If you shot target,you already know the answers,if it's a hunting rifle and you base your choice on it,you are pretty silly.
 
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