308 vs 30-06

Why not? said:
caramel...Caramel........ CARAMEL! How many time must we say it? The 30-06 brought to perfection is the 270 Winchester!

Ted
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Now just hold on there a minute Ted.......let's not reduce this debate to the point of ridiculous......The 270 Winchester is nothing more than a bad joke, played on an uneducated shooting public by Winchester and Jack O'Connor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Boomer said:
The advantage of the .30/06 is lost to the .300 magnums, and the advantage of the .308 is lost to the 7.62X39 chambered mini-Mauser. But either cartridge has sufficient overlap to provide suitable performance across a wide range of big game hunting scenarios, and that is the light in which each should be considered.
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And this is why I have a 799. Several rifles in .308Win, Several in '06, more in .303Br, a couple in 8mm. Versatility!! ;D

t-star said:
of course , you fail to mention the TEN grains of powder it takes to make that difference, plus when you step up to the 300 mag, you LOSE 2 rounds capacity-and if i'm going to use something in the 300 mag case length, and the 75gr+of powder, i'm also going to step up to the 338 win mag, gain 50 grains more bullet weight for roughly the same velocity- as afar as i'm concerned, and I've said this on here many times, it's all a matter of speed and effective range- for me,save the 25-50 grains of powder, use a lighter rifle. I can stalk 50 yards closer , and carry the two extra rounds - THAT'S what the 308 does for you
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I only ever put 3 rounds in ANY rifle I hunt with. If I need to use 5 rounds to knock down an animal, I'd better be quitting hunting. I have NEVER emptied magazine at an animal. First shot scores, it may need a second to finish it when I get to it. Not often, but it happens.

aakoksal said:
I think main difference between them is not the cartdridge itself but the rifling of the gun it fires. Military had 30.06 (7.62x54) rifles with 1:10 twist rate while .308 (7.62x51) was 1:12. And this is the reason 30.06 is capable to better stabilize heavier bullets.
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Sorry, brother you brought the wrong cartridge. It won't chamber in that .30-06 rifle you brought. The 30-06 is a 7.62x63mm. The Russians use the 7.62x54R round and it is rimmed. Just wouldn't fit.

t-star said:
you'd be surprised at how quickly a pissed-off grizzly bear can cover 600 yards- that's why I have a 338
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If you have pissed off a bear from 600yds, you deserve a sign, maybe a less-than-clever epitaph.

Eagleye said:
Well, I really don't have a dog in this fight. While I recognize the assets of the 308, I think much like Boomer.

If I have a 30-06, I will not be hunting with a 308. :) FWIW, I have not fired a factory round out of my 30-06 rifles in 25 years.

regards, Dave
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I am of the same opinion. I have a couple or three (or four) of each. When I am hunting 'yotes, I grab a .308. Everything else is a nod to the '06. Even when I have the SAME rifle in each chambering.

firebos7 said:
well 30-06 has one whole extra 0 in it and is therefore 10x better just like 2 and 20 the 20 is 10x better.
See. THIS right here. It works with politicians AND laymen.

BongoBob said:
If you select the right bullet for the job and place that bullet where it belongs, few critters would know the difference between the two.
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TRUE. TRUE. TRUE.

An_elephanthy said:
I own a 30-06. A shooting pal has a 308. I'm not a big game hunter, but he is and he's had no trouble whatsoever taking a couple of Colorado elk in recent years. I like the -06 more for sentimental reasons than anything else. The 308's short action is nice in a bolt rifle, though. I think the real world performance difference between the two is pretty small. My advice (worth what you paid for it) would be to get whichever you may have a slight preference towards.
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BWhen I want sentimental, I grab my 1898 Lee Cavalry Carbine, or a 1909 No. 1 Lee Enfield.

Neo said:
Myself, I definitely shoot a mid-weight rifle a lot better than I shoot a light-weight -- it just settles faster and more steadily onto the target. And as for the extra bit of weight that makes me carry, I'm a very big fan of the late Bob Hagel, who more than once took the position that if a guy was so out of shape that he absolutely needed to trim a pound off a rifle, he had no business thinking he could pack out a dead animal :)
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Truer words were never spoken. Unbelieveably accurate interpretation.

Why not? said:
Or, just sell them both, get a really good 30-06, load it to 308 and 300 mag pressures, and use it for everything! :)

Ted
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See. Sensible, reasonable, well-presented. Thank you.
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You are only discussing one caliber, just two different cartridge cases. As to real world differences between the cartridges, there isn't much, one fits in a shorter action, and the other produces around 150fps more velocity. If one cartridge will do the job, then so will the other.
 
steve-o1979 said:
This is stupid lol. Shoot what you like...I've never seen a dead animal that gave a #### what it was shot with
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In other words, if you want a light weight carbine get the .308, and if you prefer a full sized rifle, get a .30/06. If you intend to pack around a full sized rifle, it might as well be a .30/06, a carbine is a tad shorter and a hair lighter when its made with a short action. A full sized rifle chambered for the .308 has most of the disadvantages of the .30/06, without any of it's benefits.
 
Cant speak for others but for myself, a 30-06 is always to expensive to buy, even an entry level one...
On the other hand a 308 is always a good deal even with the tanking dollar, or other reasons, when a 308 make it to my herd it's part of the family and seldom resaled...
Guess it's all a mather of soul... JP.:cool:
 
kodiakjack said:
.308 vs .30-06

Pepsi vs coke
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Well that settles it, I like Coke better than Pepsi so .30-06 it is ;-)

Actually I like the idea of lower recoil so I may go with 308 for my first deer rifle; which of the two is easier to get in a hunting round, not surplus?
 
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I finally found the definitive answer to the .308 vs .30/06 debate!

And that is .308 X 57!

It is blueprinted, reamer and dies enroute!

Debate over...

- .308 is 6'0" & 180 pounds
- .30/06 is 6'2 & 200 pounds
- .308 X 57 is 6'1 & 190, but all in the chest and shoulders with a ripped six-pack...
 
Whatever you shoot best, for me it's .308. If you can't hit your target, or misplace your shots, then calibre isn't important. I'm more of the Caramel mindset, I have a number of .308's, only one 06.
 
hoytcanon said:
I finally found the definitive answer to the .308 vs .30/06 debate!

And that is .308 X 57!

It is blueprinted, reamer and dies enroute!

Debate over...

- .308 is 6'0" & 180 pounds
- .30/06 is 6'2 & 200 pounds
- .308 X 57 is 6'1 & 190, but all in the chest and shoulders with a ripped six-pack...
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Sounds like a great choice for one that can not make up his choice, but then again I would go with the 8x57js.
 
I say why choose can't we all just buy them both. But if I had to I like surplus packs so uh 308 kind of has it by a hair if it comes down to buying it and quantity. Then again just got a 200 pack from ammo Kate for 30 06 and some cci 22lr 27 bucks a box f yea
 
hoytcanon said:
I finally found the definitive answer to the .308 vs .30/06 debate!

And that is .308 X 57!

It is blueprinted, reamer and dies enroute!

Debate over...

- .308 is 6'0" & 180 pounds
- .30/06 is 6'2 & 200 pounds
- .308 X 57 is 6'1 & 190, but all in the chest and shoulders with a ripped six-pack...
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dgradinaru said:
Sounds like a great choice for one that can not make up his choice, but then again I would go with the 8x57js.
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Yep, just load it up to 308 Win pressures, and it runs off ahead of both it and the '06!

Ted
 
Why not? said:
Factory rifle chambers, factory brass, standard die set....no extra costs involved for rechambering factory barrel, or new barrel installation, and no premium price for reloading dies.

Just load and go! :)
Ted
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Taking into account that my comment, comes from a guy that has a number of calibres that;) are just a little 'off of centre', your take on the question is right on the money Ted:).
 
I like both... That's why I have both. They suit my needs. Cheap to feed and everywhere I hunt, 300 yards is hard to come by. They have worked perfectly on deer, bear, and moose ;)
 
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