308 vs 30-06
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M'aiq, sorry buddy, but you don't know jack s##t to even think this kind of worthless drivel you posted can even resemble anything of reality. Don't even present that youtube video as some kind of evidence or proof. It's Hogwash, utter Hogwash.
Ever shot an animal? Ever wound an animal? Ever butcher a pig? The hopeless thing about the internet, including youtube, is that anybody can post or concoct anything. The video nicely ends at the point where the hog runs off in a sort of semi circle. It looks to me that the animal was wounded, can't tell mortally or superficially, but wounded nonetheless. The person likely never even tried to track it.
Before you call BS to my statements, I hunt varmints (Coyotes mostly) about every second weekend. I have hit a few that took off running. They were dead, just didn't know it. I have even hit some, just like the hog, went down, got back up and ran about 50 to 100 yards, again stone cold dead. I have even wounded some game I had hunted and pretty much tracked them all.
My point is, until you actually have some experience and actually KNOW what you are referring to, please refrain from providing worthless "expert" opinions. What I would suggest, once you get some credibility back, is to by all means ask questions to answers you do not know.
By the way, hunting bullets don't even bounce off solid walls, let alone any kind of game animal. Airsoft pellets ALWAYS bounce off anything they hit.
Nuff said.
M'aiq the Liar
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Well I agree with the no head shots, I'v always been told to avoid them because the margin for error is to small. Why aim for such a small target when the chest cavity offers a much larger kill zone, heart an lungs. As for needing a larger Caliber, well I guess it depends on where you are from. Here in the yukon the minimum for bison is center fire .30 caliber or larger with minimum 180 grain bullet; the 30-06 is the base line.
My old man has been hunting for the past 40 years and has only ever hunted with a 30-06. He has successfully hunted everything from sheep to bison with his 30-06, he had a 375 h&h which he never found any use for because his 30-06 fulfilled all his hunting need with out failure so he gave it to me. Nothing wrong with going with a larger caliber but you may not need it and the larger the caliber the more expensive the ammunition. Check and see what the minimum is in your area then make you choice based on that. For up here you would not be allowed to use a 270 for bison even tho it shoots just as well as a 30-06.
The absolute best response I've had so far. I take my hat off to you sir. You are a true sportsman. Like I said, the 30-06 can do it but the .338 is just my preferred choice. I like having the extra insurance. But you are right about it being expensive to shoot. $80 for 20 rounds!
okay, give the poor guy a brake obviously he was given some questionable advice, no need to humiliate him any further. live and learn. Maybe this thread will encourage him to pick his 308 that he had given up on for hunting and give it another go. It will be a hell of a lot cheaper to shoot then his 338 or 300 was it?
Anyways. back on topic, You can't go wrong with either the 308 or 30-06, Depending on what you want to hunt and where some calibers might not be legal, so check your hunting Regulations.
The OP stated his father recommended the 30-06 over the 308 and I said if I had answered I would have agreed with his father.
I also said this--"I consider the 30-06 superior in several ways, including far superior to reload for."
Isn't this the information he asked for?
Are we not getting a little picky?
You, Sir, have got to be the smartest man on this forum. It is easily true that the .338LM will do the job better than either the .308 and the '06. However, if you really want to discuss this, then let's put all the cards on the table, lay down the girly rifles and pick up the one that will actually get the job done ALL the time. The .577 Tyrannasaur. It'll do everything the .338LM will do and then do it better.
Well said. Seems most of these threads go way beyond answering the OPs questions and then turn into some sort of d!ck measuring contest between ill-informed people with less experience than opinion.
No one wants to listen to old guys. We don't know anything about the real world of hunting and shooting.
westcoaster
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I was not going to read or respond on this thread
you know, but this, this is too much."...The .308 and 30-06 are the two popular rounds for people that don't know much about hunting and are just getting into hunting or firearms..."
I agee in that if you don't know a lot about firearms you can't go wrong with the 3006 and it's smaller weaker couosin.
"...Both of the rounds capabilities of taking big game like moose and bison is also highly over-rated since most experienced hunters I know will not shoot at a moose or bison with anything less than a .338Laupa..."
Really? Really? I've been hunting big game for about 37 years and I only know one person who uses a 338 Lapua for hunting. Not that there is anything wrong with using a Lapua it just that it is more than most people can handle. Hunting camp this year for elk and moose and the rifles were: one 7mm rem mag, one 338 wm, one 300wm, one 3006, one 308, one 270, and two 270wsm's.
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Wow, folks are sure getting worked up on this one!!!
westcoaster
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OK guys first off I did do a search and found nothing related so if there is a previous thread on this just re-direct me.
I hope I am not
I am looking for opinions on 30-06 and .308. Which would be the better all round rifle that could be used for deer, elk and moose?
I am also considering cost and ammunition availability.
Yeah this is a dead horse but it is the middle of January...
Both are great cartridges and will take any game in North America.
The 3006 will hold a little more powder and push bullets from 180 on up better than the 308. The 308 has a little less recoil and near identical performance with 165 and lighter bullets.
The 308 can fit in a short action rifle. Some hypothesize that this makes the 308 "inherently" more accurate. There is no proof of this. More likely that the lighter recoiling 308 is easier to shoot well. However a short action is a few ounces lighter than a long action.
I personally prefer the 3006 for it's greater versatility with larger bullets but you honestly cannot go wrong with either.
Winchester 180 Silver Tip in Rem. 760 , 100 to 150 yd. head shot moose ###X , 150 to 375 yd sholder moose ###X . Deer 150 Rem. PSP same gun to 200 yds. 30-06 to hard on the shoulder for this old fart but still like to shot at range in Lead Sled . Just my $0.02
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7 Rem mag and a VX3.
Oh ####...what was the question again? Oh....30-06...I guess
Oh ####...what was the question again? Oh....30-06...I guess
M'aiq the Liar
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All right then i'll put the .600overkill on the table, then you will put the .700 Nitro Express on the table, then I'll put the .950JDJ, but now were not even talking about hunting rifles anymore but about M1 tank hunting rifles.
M'aiq the Liar
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M'aiq the Liar
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Remember, I’m referring to the hunters that I know. At my Fish & Game Association, everyone who hunts moose or bison has a .338 for that. It’s no wonder why are local Co-op stocks 20 boxes of the stuff and sells it faster than 30-30 and .243. This is a small place so when one person first tries .338, he shows it to one of his friends, and next thing you know, everyone has one. I may break away from the herd one day and get a 9.3x62. Way cheaper to shoot but still a really powerful round.
Yeeessss, the 7mm rem mag is another one of my favorites. Fast and light bullet backed by a belted magnum .375H&H shell. So as long as it’s fired from a 24 - 26" barrel that sucker is powerful. Any barrel smaller and you’re starting to move into the .270 power category but with the added recoil. I would actually be more comfortable hunting moose with a 7mm rem mag then a 30-06 to be honest. The .270WSM is my brother’s personal favorite and I can see why. I have a .270win and it arguably performs as well or slightly better overall than its big brother the 30-06 but my brother’s .270wsm is just amazing. I’d also be more comfortable hunting moose with that over a 30-06. Just has lots of recoil and it’s also expensive to shoot. but I guess that's the down side when you want a more powerfull round.
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Well this is an interesting turn. Now the 7mm magnum is your darling, but you discount the .30/06 as a big game cartridge, despite its larger, heavier bullets traveling at similar velocities!!?? The 7 mag might have the same case head size as the .375 H&H, but it has little else in common with that cartridge, as its only 2.5" long and shoots bullets half the weight. I bet you didn't realize that many a .280 Remington (thats a .30/06 necked down from .308 to .284") can give a 7 mag a good run for its money. A .284/7mm bullet of good construction will kill game with proper placement just like a larger .308 bullet from a .30/06 will, heck even the smaller cased 7X57 operates in the same performance envelope considering it will drive a 140 gr TSX at 2900 fps, and those ballistics have taken more than a few moose around here, be it from a 7X57, 7-08, .280, 7 mag or for that matter a .270 Winchester.
Tell ya what bud, it might be time for you to stop typing and start learning. Heres a useful premise to start from, all modern, medium capacity cartridges from 6.5 to .30 caliber pretty much operate within the same terminal performance envelope, and all are good choices for North American big game, to the extent that the choice of rifle is far more important than the choice of cartidge. As we go up the power scale of cartridges, the more specialized the cartridge becomes. Consider the .577 and 600 Nitro Express cartridges; they have oodles of short range power and are rated highly as short range stopping rounds on the world's largest land mammals. But due to their 2100 fps velocity, the style of rifle they are typically chambered in, and their intimidating recoil and cost, they are poor choices for general purpose big game hunting. By comparison, the ubiquitous scope sighted bolt action sporter in the .30/06 class is far more versatile, affordable, and practical.
That's quite a bunch of hunters you know!
You guys shoot a lot of moose & Bison on Vancover Island
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