308 vs6.5 creedmore
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I know one of those guys too. He shoots a 338 Lapua for moose - he has shot a total of one, at 50 yards a number of years ago, doesn't shoot past 300 yards at our range, but hunts wit the lapua
" In case he needs to make a 600 yard shot on a bull" - his words, you can't make this stuff up , folks!
Cat
No bullet manufacturer can design in a factor for a users intelligence. If a fella is grabbing a Berger type with the intended purpose of shots at say 200 yards or less, with muzzle speeds of 3000fps or more, he should probably have the wherewithal to figure out that there are better choices. If he doesn't, he probably soon will. Will they work? Sure they will. Will they work every time? Depends on where they get put. Most aren't willing to walk away from that shot, due to the bullet they are using...when they probably should. Hence the stories of them not working.
They make different types of bullets for different reasons, and purposes. Probably a good option to pick the one that is going to work the best, the most amount of the time, for the type of hunting being done. With you on the Partition, or any other bonded or locked type bullet for that matter. Really, at under 200 yards... anything that will more or less hold together on bigger animals.
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I know one of those guys too. He shoots a 338 Lapua for moose - he has shot a total of one, at 50 yards a number of years ago, doesn't shoot past 300 yards at our range, but hunts wit the lapua
" In case he needs to make a 600 yard shot on a bull" - his words, you can't make this stuff up , folks!
Cat
Don't those just happen ALL the time? I hate it. Should buy me a rifle thats so flat shooting I don't even need to practice to 600 meters either.
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Eh, I know what you mean but I'd rather be one of them than the opposite. Give someone a 243 with a very good bullet and that they shoot well vs something that makes em flinch and I think they get better results.
Assuming he reaches vitals.
And if its a centerfire, I don't think you can really be that "undergunned" for deer within common ranges lol
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Actually, I'd love to take a bunch of shooters, rifles from 300 RUM down to 6mm, and shoot for small targets from field positions. It would be fun to see how scores change, where the means are, etc.
An interesting "check ego at door" moment too I am sure lol. course if they don't know or care where to shoot a game animal in the first place that won't fix their issue.
An interesting "check ego at door" moment too I am sure lol. course if they don't know or care where to shoot a game animal in the first place that won't fix their issue.
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It's been done... the results are as expected. Did it with a fella shooting the ubiquitous 300WM, and put him behind a 243AI. Group size shrunk by over half. Next up was 7mm RM, Group size, grew, but still about half as the 300WM. Having a rifle and scope that fits, helps a bit as well. He hunts with a 7mm RM now.
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I’ve seen both ends of the spectrum. Mostly what you mentioned when my old club opened its range annually to allow Hunters to verify/sight in for the season. Mostly those who showed up with Mag/WSM Cals “cause a Moose is a big animal, need a big gun” mentality along with their 4-5 boxes of different grain ammo and pounded the crap out of themselves without getting a good grouping.
The ego check came when they would ask us (the Reg members/acting ROs) to sight in the their rifle and get it done in 1/2doz shots at most.
Thats interesting!
I'd like seeing one shot/one hit on steel from different actual hunting positions too. Groups do say a lot, but let's say...no bench, 6" circle, 100 yards.
CAN you really be counted on to hit a deer that far out, at will, with what you're carrying? How many percent of the time? Stand, sit, kneel, off of sticks, whatever you'll be doing when you get that opportunity.
Edit: ShrtRnd, I believe it!!
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In an average afternoon at the local range, populated by the average shooter, a feller would quickly realize that between equipment, ammunition, and operator, that the answer to your question would be not counted on much, if at all.
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And a calm, mediocre to fair at best shooter seems to make meat more reliably than a good to very good at the range but exciteable or nervous one lol. At least where ranges are not too demanding and animals rather large.
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There isn't a huntable animal on the planet where your shots will be over 200yds all of the time, so that would suggest a bullet like Berger is therefore pretty much useless for hunting, unless the new name of the game is putting more distance between you and the animal.
Going out on a limb here, but i think the latest fad of “Long Range Hunting” has been born out of those Western States and the sheer numbers of Hunters on Public Land during rifle season.
The whole debate of ethical shots at those distances and potentially interrupting some else's hunt who maybe closer is a whole thread and debate unto itself…
As mentioned, this comes down to how a fella chooses to do things. What it suggests to you, certainly doesn't suggest to many others, nor should it? Pick what best works for you, and your style of hunting, and let others do the same...
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Mountain goats, our average shot was between 200 and 300, with 400 not being exceptional. That’s typical across the coastal goat outfits, though that doesn’t make me a fan of Bergers for hunting. There are much better choices for game bullets, even at mid range.
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Absolutely goats are 95% of the time long shots, though I had a friend shoot a big billy up by Terrace at 75 yards,totally surprised them, so it can happen.Same is usually the case with pronghorn, but out of the four I've shot two were around 150 yds. I'm personally a fan of Accubonds, they perform similar to a Partition but have been more accurate in my rifles.
Anyhow I didn't mean to derail the thread, back to 260 Rem vs 308 Win.
For deer - either. For moose - maybe neither (308 would be -okay- for moose).
308 is more versatile, cheaper to shoot, easier to load for. 6.5 is a better long range rig, unless you have the barrel in your 308 to shoot the really heavy stuff.
The real question to ask is 30-06 or 6.5x55?
308 is more versatile, cheaper to shoot, easier to load for. 6.5 is a better long range rig, unless you have the barrel in your 308 to shoot the really heavy stuff.
The real question to ask is 30-06 or 6.5x55?
