.308 win getting bashed in my group

First of all, thanks to those of you who understood and actually answered to what I was asking, you were quite informative. I am excited to get my 308, get good with it, and put some meat in the freezer while making my friends look like fools.

Secondly, thanks to the mod who moved this to the proper thread seeing as I couldn't be bothered to pick the right one, most of us lazy people appear to just f up the general discussion forum.
 
A good friend that sadly has passed on was a gunsmith/re-loader/competition shooter and very well respected for his firearm/ballistic knowledge. Made the statement that the .270 was the only popular calibre on the market that did not live up to its published specs. On the .308, -- he felt it was a nasty kicking calibre that recoiled harder than a 30-06 because of its shape but was inherently accurate.
I like the .308 because you can find a great variety of factory loadings fot it -- its a short action and be found in easy carry light guns.
 
andyman_49 said:
So there are a group of people I am starting hunting with. All of them are quite opinionated and have varying levels of success when it comes to hunting, however, they are all (except one) trying to claim that .270 is the end all be all of hunting here in Manitoba as far as their white tail hunting goes. The other one likes his .308 and I was intending to buy my first hunting rifle in 308 regardless of what people say.

Now the point I am getting at here is that one of the more experienced and less ridiculous one of the guys pushing 270 tells me he started with 308 and it was good to start with but likes 270 over 308, which gives it some merit as being "better".

So my question, would a 270 generally shoot considerably flatter than a 308? Is is that much better? I still intend to start with 308 but I am wondering if I should look into 270s in the future or just go with whatever I come across.
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When my father first moved to Manitoba he was told that his old 30/30's and 303's were useless out there, thatt he neede a flat shooting cartridge like the 270.
He always killed his deer with one shot, and finished a few that were shot by the other fellas he hunted with - all were shooting the 270 and a few shot the '06 as well.
It's a load of crap to say that a particular cartridge is no good for a certain area.
Cat
 
Wow if the .270 is the best because it's flat shooting, my .257 Weatherby Magnum must be the king of the prairies!!! There's much flatter shooting rounds out there than .270, and if that's the only criteria then you should probably remind them of that.

I've killed lots of deer in Manitoba using the .270, .308, and others from .243 to .338, and they're all mostly the same in actual, bullet-through-the-vitals performance with no big difference in trajectory over the range most hunters will be shooting (since the typical 600 yard shot in Manitoba is closer to 200 and the shot is lethal because it hit the spine due to overcompensation).
 
It sounds like your group prefers the .270, not that they are bashing the .308. I saw the same thing happen in Kenora about 30 years ago, people ditching their .308's for the .270 because it was "faster".
You obviously have a mind of your own. Get your .308, and let your record on game demonstrate the huge difference between the two rounds.
 
Wow, lots of yay's and nay's.
Two plates, two steaks, one medium rare, one well done.
Both good in the eye's of the beholder.
If me was you, eye'd go for the 308win so they won't mooch yur ammo. ;)
If your taste buds do go for the 270, go for the 270wsm.
They still won't mooch your ammo.
Good luck and out shoot'em.
Just cuz.
Looky.
 
Well, you can feel good that you're the smartest person in your group (or, at least you're tied!). Nothing wrong with a 308 for deer hunting. Nothing wrong with a 270 either. As long as I had the right ammunition in my pocket I wouldn't care which I walked out the door with.
 
BigUglyMan said:
Well, you can feel good that you're the smartest person in your group (or, at least you're tied!). Nothing wrong with a 308 for deer hunting. Nothing wrong with a 270 either. As long as I had the right ammunition in my pocket I wouldn't care which I walked out the door with.
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Your so full of it! :D

Your hunting buddies would ask you if you got the ghey if you showed up in camp with a plain vanilla 308! :D :D
 
The tradition continues

Hunters in camps have been arguing about this since Jack O'Connor raved about the .270 back in the day . I'm glad to see it hasn't changed. The .270 is a lighter bullet with a lot of powder behind it. I believe the heaviest bullet you can get for it is 150gr (and that's if you reload your own). And the .308 is a heavier bullet with a modest amount of powder behind it. The bullet weights can climb to over 200grs. Me personally, I like heavier bullets. I bow hunted before I got in gun hunting and loved the penetration I got from a heavier arrow, versus the lighter faster arrows. Just my 2¢.
 
For deer hunting I rely on a .270 with a 3.5-10x40 scope. For me the extra velocity is worth something. However, I have plans to rebarrel another rifle to .308 and I will likely top it with with a 4x scope. It won't replace the .270 but the fact of the matter is that if I get a chance at a 400 yard deer with a .308 and a 4x it will likely be just as dead as if I had my .270. The simple reason is that I spend a lot of time and effort on getting good quality practice in outside of the hunting season. Pick the one you like best and put in the effort to be skilled with it and the rest will take care of itself.
 
Personally I'd go with the 308. Even in the beanfields down south the 270 has a not much flatter trajectory to make it worthwhile over the 308.
you want significant reach, oomph, and flatter trajectory I'd suggest a magnum .
Just not enough difference between these two.
The difference is going to be the capabilities of the one pulling the trigger.

Doc.
 
.270 v .308

mmm...chicken said:
Hunters in camps have been arguing about this since Jack O'Connor raved about the .270 back in the day . I'm glad to see it hasn't changed. The .270 is a lighter bullet with a lot of powder behind it. I believe the heaviest bullet you can get for it is 150gr (and that's if you reload your own). And the .308 is a heavier bullet with a modest amount of powder behind it. The bullet weights can climb to over 200grs. Me personally, I like heavier bullets. I bow hunted before I got in gun hunting and loved the penetration I got from a heavier arrow, versus the lighter faster arrows. Just my 2¢.
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I shoot 160 gr. Nosler Partions in my .270. I also have a .308 (and .30-06 and .30-30) - because the ..30 cals. handle heavier cast bullets.
 
mmm...chicken said:
Hunters in camps have been arguing about this since Jack O'Connor raved about the .270 back in the day . I'm glad to see it hasn't changed. The .270 is a lighter bullet with a lot of powder behind it. I believe the heaviest bullet you can get for it is 150gr (and that's if you reload your own). And the .308 is a heavier bullet with a modest amount of powder behind it. The bullet weights can climb to over 200grs. Me personally, I like heavier bullets. I bow hunted before I got in gun hunting and loved the penetration I got from a heavier arrow, versus the lighter faster arrows. Just my 2¢.
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Remington make a 150gr factory round. My .270 likes em. :)
Bullet penetration is based on the bullet construction and not it's weight, a 150gr fmj shot from a 270 will penetrate more than a 200gr. psp shot from a 308.....
 
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