.308 win getting bashed in my group

I have both .270 & .308. I like the Remington better than the Savage. I couldn't really care that much about either caliber. I would get the same results with either.
 
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catnthehatt said:
When my father first moved to Manitoba he was told that his old 30/30's and 303's were useless out there, thatt he neede a flat shooting cartridge like the 270.
He always killed his deer with one shot, and finished a few that were shot by the other fellas he hunted with - all were shooting the 270 and a few shot the '06 as well.
It's a load of crap to say that a particular cartridge is no good for a certain area.
Cat
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I think that may have been a case of "dad wanted a new gun". My father in law grew up in Olds. Hunted with a .303. Back in the early '60s he was stationed in Cold Lake. Picked up a new .303 from the Northern Rangers, mounted a 4x Redfield scope on it and used it on antelope down south. Not uncommon to be a minimum 300yd shot. I have that rifle today. Still shoots well enough to get easily deer at the 100-200yd ranges they normally present themselves, let alone the 300yd shot if needed. It now sports a Bushnell Trophy 3-9x40mm scope however. The 3/4" tube on the Redfield with no bells at either end just wasn't as clear after 50yrs of use.
 
AWOL said:
I have both .270 & .308. I like the Remington better than the Savage. I couldn't reall care that much about either caliber. I would get the same results with either.
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I remember wanting a .270 for an elk hunt in Utah about 18yrs ago. I went down with my .30-06 K-98 Gewehr Mauser and did just as well as I did with a .270 I borrowed from my friend's uncle. I did not bother getting a .270.

I own a a .308 and a .30-06 and I do not believe that there is anything either cartridge cannot do that will be outdone by the .270. I will however admit to feeling the .308 more than the '06, even in the exact same rifle. 100 ATR.

I met a girl here a couple of years ago. French supply tech who hunted a lot here. She had a VERY nice Browning A-bolt .270 and had counted for numerous deer and a couple of elk. The person who had gotten her into this had really done a good job, getting a youth model stock and picking a low recoil round. Well, this one day she was at the range with a friend (original friend had gotten posted) who was not very knowledgeable in the shooting sports and she was having a great deal of trouble sighting in her rifle. I went over and asked her what was going on. She told me that she had gotten a new rifle in .30-06 because she was being posted back home (Quebec) and her brother told her that her .270 would not kill Quebec moose and she needed, at least, the .30-06.
She was frustrated and sore because, while she shot her previous .270 very well, she could not get this one to group at all. 130's in the .270 and 180's in the .06. She had used 4 boxes of ammo in the past 3 days. Her friend was no help at all.
I tried to explain that her old rifle was no slouch and would do just as well in Quebec as her brother's .300WM, but she wasn't having any of that. Her brother knew what he was talking about. He got a moose every year.
Her friend asked me if I could help out.
I watched her shoot and it was immediately apparent what had happened. She had bought a rifle with an adult stock, it was too long, kicked like a mule and now she was flinching HARD!
I convinced her to go back to the shop and buy her old rifle back (if the owner wouldn't just loan it to her sort of like a pawn deal). She brought it back next day and shot the hell out of it! I again tried to convince her that it would be better to keep her .270, but she wasn't having any of that.
So I explained why she could shoot this one better. She thought it was because it was a "girl's gun" that threw "baby bullets" as her brother called it. So we called the gun shop, asked if we could swap out the stocks since hers was a youth model, he agreed and did so the next day. She shouldered the '06 a couple of days later, still a little scared of the anticipated recoil , and dropped the hammer. Flinched, but then looked up in shocked surprise. That didn't hurt at all. By the end of the day, she was shooting the #### out of that rifle. She got a 900lb cow that fall. Sent me pics. But was disappointed because another guy in their hunting party dropped a 1200lb bull like a stone with a ...what??? Oh yeah, a .270 with 150gn bullets that they had all teased him about. Biggest bull, shortest tracking distance, avg shooting distance for the party (around 200yds). She wanted her .270 back... I checked, but it was LONG gone.
 
oopswasthatyourdog? said:
everyone knows that you need minimum 300 rem mag for deer
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What are you talking about? that's barely a gopher gun!!! You NEED at least a 300 RUM if you're after does, and a 338 RUM or 375 Ruger if you're after rutting bucks. I have a 458 Win, but I don't use it much 'cause it's a single shot and unless I'm in a stand, I don't trust myself to down one. If I could afford it, I'd get a 50 BMG.
 
rookie wildcat said:
I think that may have been a case of "dad wanted a new gun". My father in law grew up in Olds. Hunted with a .303. Back in the early '60s he was stationed in Cold Lake. Picked up a new .303 from the Northern Rangers, mounted a 4x Redfield scope on it and used it on antelope down south. Not uncommon to be a minimum 300yd shot. I have that rifle today. Still shoots well enough to get easily deer at the 100-200yd ranges they normally present themselves, let alone the 300yd shot if needed. It now sports a Bushnell Trophy 3-9x40mm scope however. The 3/4" tube on the Redfield with no bells at either end just wasn't as clear after 50yrs of use.
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If my father wanted to hunt with a new rifle he would have simply grabbed one out of the rack - he was Sales promotion rep. for the largest ammunition manufacturer in Canada at the time.
he simply saw no need to use anything more than what he had been hunting with, because no matter who says what most deer are killed within 100 yards of the hunter.
Cat
 
Both very capable in Canada, but I refuse to use a .20 caliber for big game due to the lack in bullet weight varieties, which is imo what makes a gun an all-around caliber. The assortment for .30-06 makes it my personal favorite, not the performance.

To hunt local general seasons for big game you have all the freedom in the world to pick a gun caliber. However, if you travel to lodges or outfitter camps, there is likely to be a minimum caliber.
 
catnthehatt said:
If my father wanted to hunt with a new rifle he would have simply grabbed one out of the rack - he was Sales promotion rep. for the largest ammunition manufacturer in Canada at the time.
he simply saw no need to use anything more than what he had been hunting with, because no matter who says what most deer are killed within 100 yards of the hunter.
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My mistake. I misread your post the first time through. I thought he told you that once he started hunting out here that he needed a "bigger gun". Having misread that, I apologize and ask for your forgiveness.
I too am a firm believer that the "go big or go home" philosophy that has so throughly pervaded our society and sport lately is baseless and serves only to compensate those with lesser skills and can't hit within 200yds..
 
rookie wildcat said:
My mistake. I misread your post the first time through. I thought he told you that once he started hunting out here that he needed a "bigger gun". Having misread that, I apologize and ask for your forgiveness.
I too am a firm believer that the "go big or go home" philosophy that has so throughly pervaded our society and sport lately is baseless and serves only to compensate those with lesser skills and can't hit within 200yds..
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No sweat, i figured maybe you had misread it!:D
he did eventually get an '06 from the commppany as a demo , but he never shot it himself, noting biggger than a 308, and used a custom 303 mostly.
he was one to rely on accuracy before anythhing else......
Cat
 
Just ask yours friends why is it that almost every police and Army rifle out ther are 308. A 308 with a 165 grs ogive of quality at 2700 fps is all you need for the whole continent except the bigs bears and on regular basis is always more accurate... JP"
 
The posts were @ 88.(Win 88)...ah never mind lol, anyways,there ain't nothing a .308 can't do in good hands. With the right bullets and practice it'll do the job of any magnum.
 
If you are able to make use of the maximum capabilities of each, yes a .270 will allow a hunter that is capable of beyond average marksmanship at range greater capability than the .308. When hunting in grassland, a .270 does offer marked advantage over a .308, and I prefer it for coyote and wolf over the .308. That said, I very much like the .308 as well, and for 9 out of 10 hunters will serve every bit as well as a .270. Both kill deer, one just reaches farther, more easily, for most hunters this doesn't matter.
 
When you get a 308 you are sure it will be very accurate, it is the nature of the beast... Remember that everybody says that a 30-06 is adequate for everything a 308 hanload is on par with it... JP.
 
Out of my Sav mod 10 24 inchs barrel i push a 178 grs pill at 2700 fps, out of a 06 Rem 700 24 inchs it go 2825 full throttle load less than 80 pounds of energy and at 500 yard the 308 is still MOA it doesnt add to nothing 1090 for the 06... 1030 for the 308. My 0.02 cents i will take the accuracy of the 308 anytimes for 70 pounds of energy... Cheers.JP.
 
mike shickele said:
My oppinion is that there is no super cartridge that breaks the rules of physics, and does things exceptionally better than all the other cartridges. There are those out there that think that specific bullet diameters are somehow magical, and pixies guide them through the air both straighter and flatter; if anyone believes that, I have a few bridges for sale.
What matters for trajectory is initial launch speed, and the bullets ballistic coefficiant. Drop a bullet on the floor, and you will see how fast that bullet actually drops (hint: they all drop the same speed). The faster that you push a bullet forward, the further forward it will go before it hits the ground. let's put this in perspective. All things being equal 100fps more will allow the bullet to travel approximately another 1/4" before it hits.
When the bullet leaves the bore, it is immediately slammed into a wall of air. The more streamlined the bullet is, the more it will be able to overcome the air resistance. To put this in perspective, a .308dia spitzer boat tail with a ballistic coefficient of .452 started at 3000fps will be travelling 2790fps at the 100 yard mark. a .308dia 180gr round nose with a ballistic coefficient of .241 started at 3000fps will be going 2614 at 100 yards. That puts the BT spitzer down 3" at 200 yards, and the RN down 3.6". Does this sound like much?
To further complicate things, when a bullet is launched faster, the initial air resistance that it meets is increased rather expedentially.
This rather long winded post is simply attempting to show that people tend to make mountians out of molehills. Will the 270winchester shoot flatter with a 130gr bullet than a 308win with a 150gr bullet, sure it will. Will you notice the difference at normal hunting ranges; probably not. A .277dia bullet travelling at 300fps with a 100 yard zero drops 11.4" at 300 yards. A 150gr .308dia bullet, started at 2800fps with a 100 yard zero drops 14.6". There will be holdover needed with both in that circumstance., and one is only 3.2" better than the other.
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----------- Good Post , Mike !!
 
And the 308 is one of the easier carthrige to handload, it's not picky at all it will shoot good with almost any loads... JP.
 
caramel said:
And the 308 is one of the easier carthrige to handload, it's not picky at all it will shoot good with almost any loads... JP.
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No different than the .270, and the .270 has a much nicer case neck to work with. If I had to tip the hat one way or the other, and I hand load both, I would say the .270 serves the hand loader better of the two. Neither is suffering in the hand load department, just find it odd to claim the .308 is less fussy; they're identical in 'fussyness', it's all about the rifle.
 
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