308 Winchester or 270?

I agree, placement and construction of the bullet is more important than speed/energy/caliber, as long as the impact speed is sufficient for expansion. Buddy of mine just shot a big moose with a 6.5 Creed H4895 youth load I did for his wife and kids to shoot, 129gr Nosler ABLR @ 2575 fps. Performance was outstanding

that being said, a 270 is nothing special :cool:
 
Buckmastr said:
You're only fooling yourself if you can't appreciate the 270 Win as a do-all big game cartridge.
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Your comment really doesn’t have anything to do with what I said, so not sure why you quoted me, but....

There are heaps of do all big game cartridges. 270 is nothing outstanding, it’s just one of many. If the .277 caliber was something special, we would see more interest in other cartridges in that caliber, like the 6mm, 6.5, 7mm, .30 calls all have.
 
Gatehouse said:
If the .277 caliber was something special, we would see more interest in other cartridges in that caliber, like the 6mm, 6.5, 7mm, .30 calls all have.
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add up those diameters, divide by four. 0.275"

6mm 115gr, 6.5mm 140gr, 7mm 180gr, 30cal 225gr...add up those desirable, effective weights and divide by four...165grain

6mm Creed, 6.5-284, 280 Ackley, 300wm...add up their capacity and divide by four...72grs H20. Like what a 270 holds

a 170gr class .277" from a 270 Win, or a modern version would be a 270 Ackley, with a suitable twist rate to stabilize such a bullet, would be a great do-all cartridge in 2018. Sadly, only Berger offers such a projectile, the 170gr EOL Hunter (.662G1 BC). @ 2800 fps MV, which would be easily attainable from a 24" 270 Win, it really does good things downrange.

http://www.bergerbullets.com/introducing-the-berger-270-caliber-170-grain-eol-elite-hunter/

Like 25 caliber, hampered by slow 1:10 barrels, the 270 won't see much development in this area. It's a traditional caliber for fudds, and their point soft point walmart ammo. Nothing more
 
todbartell said:
add up those diameters, divide by four. 0.275"

6mm 115gr, 6.5mm 140gr, 7mm 180gr, 30cal 225gr...add up those desirable, effective weights and divide by four...165grain

6mm Creed, 6.5-284, 280 Ackley, 300wm...add up their capacity and divide by four...72grs H20. Like what a 270 holds

a 170gr class .277" from a 270 Win, or a modern version would be a 270 Ackley, with a suitable twist rate to stabilize such a bullet, would be a great do-all cartridge in 2018. Sadly, only Berger offers such a projectile, the 170gr EOL Hunter (.662G1 BC). @ 2800 fps MV, which would be easily attainable from a 24" 270 Win, it really does good things downrange.

http://www.bergerbullets.com/introducing-the-berger-270-caliber-170-grain-eol-elite-hunter/

Like 25 caliber, hampered by slow 1:10 barrels, the 270 won't see much development in this area. It's a traditional caliber for fudds, and their point soft point walmart ammo. Nothing more
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God bless the internet....God bless it!!
 
I have found the the single biggest factor in quick killing is impact velocity, followed closely by its Siamese twin bullet construction.

It's a hard thing to argue, unless you think your riflenkills the same at 500 as it does at 50.
 
Gatehouse said:
It's probably why there are so few .277 caliber cartridges compared to the 7mm's and 6.5s. It's almost like they said 'We tricked them once into buying into this .270 thing. Even tricked Roy into making a .270 cartridge. It's been about 75 years, lets see if we can bring out a newfangled 270 and trick a whole new generation into buying it. ........Oh dang. They have the internet and ballistic calculators now.."

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Yup, the .277 caliber is a lonely bunch but the 270 win outsold the 280 rem, the 270 wsm outsold the 7mm wsm and the 270 weatherby outsold the 7mm weatherby by a long shot.
 
pete dobinson said:
Yup, the .277 caliber is a lonely bunch but the 270 win outsold the 280 rem, the 270 wsm outsold the 7mm wsm and the 270 weatherby outsold the 7mm weatherby by a long shot.
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Now, that's what I call a logical synopsis! You are most correct Mr. Dobinson, the 270's have a place in the hunting world, where they out preformed many other cartridges.
 
Being a lonely bunch keeps the 270s in production. The Win is dug in for keeps and been a staple since about 1927. The Weatherby has kept chugging away in its specialty bouteque market. The 270 WSM hit a triple Whammy by being faster, mainstream and a short action. The 6.8mm? Don't know, don't care.

The 7mms are great, but that pie has been sliced so many ways that nothing but the Rem Mag has a prayer. They come and go faster than Joe Average learns of their existence. Enthusiasts don't keep a cartridge viable by themselves. The only faster way to get a cartridge to fail than make another 7mm is to stamp Remington on it.
 
Dogleg said:
Being a lonely bunch keeps the 270s in production. The Win is dug in for keeps and been a staple since about 1927. The Weatherby has kept chugging away in its specialty bouteque market. The 270 WSM hit a triple Whammy by being faster, mainstream and a short action. The 6.8mm? Don't know, don't care.

The 7mms are great, but that pie has been sliced so many ways that nothing but the Rem Mag has a prayer. They come and go faster than Joe Average learns of their existence. Enthusiasts don't keep a cartridge viable by themselves. The only faster way to get a cartridge to fail than make another 7mm is to stamp Remington on it.
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;) Good analysis :) . With the 7's, I have a few. A couple in the fairly popular and long surviving 7x57 Mauser. And one in the more obscure 7x61S&H. The 270, calibre wise, is a fairly recent addition to my little harem. The first I had was a Husqvarna. For some reason, :redface: ,shortly after acquiring it, I put it up for adoption. Just couldn't get attached to it and ended up donating it to the Ft. Mac cause. Later, from a gentleman on site, I acquired a WBY-X Blaze, Vanguard S-2 in 300WM. Then, ;) to keep it company, I picked up another of the same from another site member, in 270 Win. Even the scopes are identical.
 
pete dobinson said:
Don't know if you have ever been to the Comox Valley there Gate but I believe its more like a GEORGE'S BURGER. ;)
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It's ;) been a while now, say, the early to mid 60's :) . I was working in Gold River for Tahsis Co. Logging, pulling rigging on a View Spar. Every weekend was a trip down island. On the return north to Gold River, we used to stop in Courtney at a small burger place just across the bridge and just past the hotel on the right side of the road. Jan's Drive In I believe, was the name of the place. BEST burgers :d:d around and I 'think' they may have had bacon burgers even before A&W. Is the place still there??
 
Jan's has been gone for years now but the building is still there. Georges was just around the corner from Jan's and it was going in the early 60's as well. George was well known for his burgers. George has passed on, I think his son is running it now.
 
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