308 Winchester or 270?

Love em both have both of em
308 is my target and hunting rifle I run 150 and 165 grain ttsx for moose and run some 150 sst for deer 20 inch rem 700 police light tac model
270 is my all around rifle I carry it for moose and deer I load up 150 partitions for moose and 130 sst and 140 ballistic tips for deer savage 110 and a rem 721 22 inch barrel
I have a 30-06 and a 7 mm rem mag but they don’t get the use the 270 and the 308 do
 
I'm with you on that, my kimber mountain ascent 270 is a tack driver with 130gr and 110gr TTSX, the later at 3400fps. With recoil thats manageable in a light weight rifle.
 
Don't get too caught up in caliber selection. People tend to forget that it's not the cartridge that does the killing it's the bullet and a .270win with a 140gr monolithic is a better moose killer than a .300wm with a 180gr non-bonded lead core ballistic tip.
 
Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
Don't get too caught up in caliber selection. People tend to forget that it's not the cartridge that does the killing it's the bullet and a .270win with a 140gr monolithic is a better moose killer than a .300wm with a 180gr non-bonded lead core ballistic tip.
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It would be a tough to demonstrate the superiority of the .270 Winchester over the .300 Winchester, when both are loaded with suitable game bullets for the animals being hunted, and for the range at which those animals are shot. However, lets consider that the majority of hunters are not dedicated, recoil hardened, rifle shooters, in fact many find even moderate recoil objectionable. We may also consider that many once a year hunters go afield with inexpensive, light weight, poorly stocked, hunting rifles, some of which are chambered in .300 Winchester Magnum. Now a case can be made that the .270 is the more deadly of the two, amongst that group of hunters with similar rifles and similar shooting experience, in fact you might even be able to argue that the .243 Winchester is more deadly than the .270. That is a very different discussion than to say that the .270 Winchester outperforms the .300 Winchester on big game.
 
pete dobinson said:
7-08 and 308 are both boring cartridges imo. For a short action cartridge I prefer the 284win. The best of the non magnum cartridges are 270, 280 and 30-06. jmo. I will make an exception for the 7x57 though :)
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There are some 270 Winchesters that shoot similar to magnums, can even shoot 130 grain as fast as the 270 WSM.
 
I'm not sure if you understood what I said. Or maybe I'm the one not understanding what you're saying. But, to clarify I certainly did not say a .270 win will out preform a .300wm. To simplify what I said, a .270 win with a good bullet choice will be a better moose killer than a .300wm with a poor bullet choice. Certainly a .243 with a good bullet choice will also be a better deer killer than a .270 with a poor bullet choice. Back to my point that the bullet is what does the killing and not the cartridge. In some circumstances, a good bullet may be equal in its killing power to the poor bullet choice but the good bullet choice will do a lot cleaner of a job with less blood shot, lead fragmented, waisted meat.
 
track said:
There are some 270 Winchesters that shoot similar to magnums, can even shoot 130 grain as fast as the 270 WSM.
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There’s some pretty whimpy WSM loads out there. ;) On the other hand, my 270 WSM will take 130s for a 3400 fps ride with 7828. I can’t even begin to wish that my Wins will get within a mile of that.
 
Dogleg said:
There’s some pretty whimpy WSM loads out there. ;) On the other hand, my 270 WSM will take 130s for a 3400 fps ride with 7828. I can’t even begin to wish that my Wins will get within a mile of that.
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Please check my latest thread.
 
Dogleg said:
If you think that 5 loose primers, 3 blown ones, stiff bolt lift and only one snug primer on a second firing out of 30 cases bears some resemblance to reality you should rethink that.
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Those loads have only been experimented once. Second stage of the development were reduced loads, which resulted with only one snug (far from loose) primer and not tight, the other two cases are "tight"........no big deal. I can assure you that there will be no repeated primer or pocket issues...........must think outside the box, once in a while. I guess that my 270 Win. is a ballistic twin to your 270 WSM.;););)
 
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track said:
Those loads have only been experimented once. Second stage of the development were reduced loads, which resulted with only one snug (far from loose) primer and not tight, the other two cases are "tight"........no big deal. I can assure you that there will be no repeated primer or pocket issues...........must think outside the box, once in a while. I guess that my 270 Win. is a ballistic twin to your 270 WSM.;););)
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If you think that an over-loaded Win with a 27” barrel is the equivalent of a cartridge that does the same with 3 different powders and published, pressure tested loads and a 24” barrel then maybe.

Alternately you can load the snot out of the bigger case, add 3 inches of barrel and stay ahead.

It’s not that I hate the 270 Win or something; its an old sentimental favourite. I’ve lost track of how many I’ve had, and still have two nice ones. It’s just that it’s no WSM, just as the WSM is no 270 Weatherby. Got a couple of those too.
 
Dogleg said:
If you think that an over-loaded Win with a 27” barrel is the equivalent of a cartridge that does the same with 3 different powders and published, pressure tested loads and a 24” barrel then maybe.

Alternately you can load the snot out of the bigger case, add 3 inches of barrel and stay ahead.

It’s not that I hate the 270 Win or something; its an old sentimental favourite. I’ve lost track of how many I’ve had, and still have two nice ones. It’s just that it’s no WSM, just as the WSM is no 270 Weatherby. Got a couple of those too.
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Call it as you please, proof is in the pudd'in. I could probably add another 10 fps since the Chrony was 12 feet from the muzzle. I've also owned one 270 WSM and two 270 Weatherbys, one Mark V and a custom Ralf Martini, however this cartridge is much more pleasant to shoot, much less recoil.
 
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