.32 Rimfire ammo
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I think the cost to the buyer was probably the main reason. At $1 per shot, I would be reluctant to shoot more than a few. I also remember claims that Canada would not let them in because the bases did not have a caliber head stamp, although the counter to that is that there are a number of rimfires available in Canada, with no head stamp
cheers mooncoon
Hello fellow Nutz,
There is a company in the states called Valkyrie Ordinance and they are just finishing getting the licenses from BATF and whoever else for production of newly loaded Rimfire ammo. I had an email correspondence with the owner and he says that they currently have .32 Short and Long Rimfire, .41 Short Rimfire and .44 Henry Rimfire being readied for production as they've passed all the government's tests or QC requirements and now can enter production, they just need the manufacturer's license from BATF. I asked about .38 Short Rimfire and .30 Short Rimfire as I collect Remington Smoot models, one of the best Rimfire " Shooters " out there. He said that they will be future products as well as Valkyrie Ordinance is owned by a couple of Antique collectors who are so frustrated with the prices of existing old stock ammo ( which is going to have a lot of duds in it ) that they believe that there could be at least a little profit in manufacturing obsolete ammo.
I explained the state of high interest in Antique Rimfire gun collecting in Canada, due to our somewhat onerous laws surrounding handgun ownership and use, and that all Antique Rimfires, excepting .22 S, L, and LR, are free to own and use without licenses and permits. He said that he would look into the possibility of export to Canada but that would have to wait until their US business was going good.
With a bit of luck one of our awesome Canadian importers like I Run Guns will approach him about getting ammo and that could be the impetus that he needs to try jumping into the Canadian market.
Now he did say that the price for a box of fifty rounds of their ammo was slated to retail for $40 to $50 in the states so it would still be pricey stuff in Canada but nowhere near the insane price of what's left of the 100 year old ammo or the nearly extinct 1990's Navy Arms ammo that everyone is trying to locate here. I sure hope that they are successful.
Cheers, Egon.
There is a company in the states called Valkyrie Ordinance and they are just finishing getting the licenses from BATF and whoever else for production of newly loaded Rimfire ammo. I had an email correspondence with the owner and he says that they currently have .32 Short and Long Rimfire, .41 Short Rimfire and .44 Henry Rimfire being readied for production as they've passed all the government's tests or QC requirements and now can enter production, they just need the manufacturer's license from BATF. I asked about .38 Short Rimfire and .30 Short Rimfire as I collect Remington Smoot models, one of the best Rimfire " Shooters " out there. He said that they will be future products as well as Valkyrie Ordinance is owned by a couple of Antique collectors who are so frustrated with the prices of existing old stock ammo ( which is going to have a lot of duds in it ) that they believe that there could be at least a little profit in manufacturing obsolete ammo.
I explained the state of high interest in Antique Rimfire gun collecting in Canada, due to our somewhat onerous laws surrounding handgun ownership and use, and that all Antique Rimfires, excepting .22 S, L, and LR, are free to own and use without licenses and permits. He said that he would look into the possibility of export to Canada but that would have to wait until their US business was going good.
With a bit of luck one of our awesome Canadian importers like I Run Guns will approach him about getting ammo and that could be the impetus that he needs to try jumping into the Canadian market.
Now he did say that the price for a box of fifty rounds of their ammo was slated to retail for $40 to $50 in the states so it would still be pricey stuff in Canada but nowhere near the insane price of what's left of the 100 year old ammo or the nearly extinct 1990's Navy Arms ammo that everyone is trying to locate here. I sure hope that they are successful.
Cheers, Egon.
The .25 Stevens Long Rimfire had a reputation for being a superior cartridge. Inside lubricated, decent bullet weight, good velocity. I wonder if it might not make commercial sense to reintroduce it, along with new production rifles. This wouldn't be for the boutique market catering to owners of antiques, but rather for general sale. It would require cooperation between a rifle and ammunition makers. The .17HMR has taken root. Maybe there would be space in the market for .25. Of course, owners of vintage rifles and pistols would snap it up.
Years ago, a company in the US had a run of .41 Colt made. 100,000 rounds if my memory serves. The naysayers were sure they would lose their shirts. The run sold out almost overnight, and another run was made.
I think the market is there for the vintage rimfires. And I think it might be a lot bigger than anticipated.
Years ago, a company in the US had a run of .41 Colt made. 100,000 rounds if my memory serves. The naysayers were sure they would lose their shirts. The run sold out almost overnight, and another run was made.
I think the market is there for the vintage rimfires. And I think it might be a lot bigger than anticipated.
These are centre fire cartridges in a rim fire box. Centre fire 32's are ".32 S&W". Full boxes of either short or long rim fire go for $250 to $350 depending on condition. .32 S&W is considerably cheaper. Navy Arms used to make .32 rf until about 1970 I think, and occasionally you can find some really good condition ones for about $200. Much more common south of the border but you can't bring them across unless you are a US citizen or permanent US resident - weird, right?? The Americans won't let non-US persons take ammo out of the country...
Hello tmfknives,
I hadn't really thought that through from the RCMP's point of view. Yeah, you're right. The only reason we can have these cartridge firing Antiques has to be the difficulty in getting ammunition. They did specifically name all the 19th century centerfire cartridges that were commercially available at the time that they wrote the legislation as exempt from Antique status. We'll all just have to keep using the reloading kits. I just wish they made one in .30rf. Cheers.
I hadn't really thought that through from the RCMP's point of view. Yeah, you're right. The only reason we can have these cartridge firing Antiques has to be the difficulty in getting ammunition. They did specifically name all the 19th century centerfire cartridges that were commercially available at the time that they wrote the legislation as exempt from Antique status. We'll all just have to keep using the reloading kits. I just wish they made one in .30rf. Cheers.
The RCMP are trending toward increasing persecution, regardless. No need to pretend the RCMP can be placated...
I think commercially common would be a more accurate statement, with 455 Webley being a notable example. I agree with the overall sentiment however. I have to wonder at what will be done relative to all of the converted antique restricted and prohibited guns that currently fit the category of restricted and prohibited. Particularly former prohibs converted to antiques (eg 32-20 converted to say 44 Russian) and owned by people with no 12 (6) on their license
cheers mooncoon
The NFA in the states uses the "commercially common" language to define antique, without specifically listing certain calibers
However in canada, the regulations passed in 1998 specifically list certain calibers
In Canada, the named cartridges which negate antique status, fortunately do not include all cartridges commonly commercially available. Even in rimfire there are a number of commercially available cartridges such as the 17 caliber rimfires and 22 magnum and 22 BB caps would not negate antique status as long as you started with a handgun originally antique under current criteria. The no go calibers, so far at least, do not include special runs of obsolete cartridges like the 41 colt
cheers mooncoon
Thus far, the RCMP seems to have largely dealt with antique firearms by way of inconsistent & ever-changing internal policy whims...
Are there any antique 17 cal rimfires? I don't think anyone would have made a .17 rimfire pre-1898, since any feasible case length would only hold 2-3 grains of black powder (compare that with a 22 short, which holds 4 grains of black powder; and a 22 long which holds 5 gr).
To my understanding all the .17 cal rimfires we see today are modern inventions, and any weirdo micro-caliber cartridges like the 5mm bergmann came along in the smokeless era.
the point is that the current interpretation of antique says if the gun starts as an antique you can change the caliber to whatever you want as long as it is not on the no go list, and it remains antique. The current interpretation does not say that the new caliber has to be one designed pre 1898 but only that if it is on the no go list, the gun becomes either restricted or prohibited depending on caliber. I do not consider changing to 17 rimfire is a good choice (personally I think a bad choice) only that it would not currently prevent an antique from remaining antique in classification
cheers mooncoon
There's always this:
https://www.rccbrass.com/?swoof=1&post_type=product&product_cat=rimfire
expensive but premium quality and should last forever.
https://www.rccbrass.com/?swoof=1&post_type=product&product_cat=rimfire
expensive but premium quality and should last forever.
