35 Whelen VS 358 Win

There was one mention of the 35 Remington....perfectly adequate MOOSE cartridge at the ranges that you are considering. Might well be better than the heavier cartridges because it is such a pussy cat to shoot. All of the small medium bores are pretty much handloading propositions, so don't rule out some of the less common choices!

If someone waves anice old 9X57 in front of you, grab it! also there are lots of 375 wins out there and even 38-55s!
 
Decision has been made.

I'm the new owner of the Mauser 98 - 35 Whelen ( http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/viewtopic.php?t=94878 )
At this price with all the extras, I can't go wrong to try this calibre. I see that Wholesale Sports has the ammo for it at 200 & 250 grs so I won't have to handload right away.

I haven't checked with local gun stores around Ottawa but believe I should be able to come up with something??

Thanks again for all the very useful input and I agree with the reply that suggested that other calibres would also do the job. Unfortunately, I'm the type that believes that to be a successful hunter, you must remove all doubts about your equipment and expecially your firearms.

Thanks again and happy hunting - I'm heading for Northern Quebec next week for Moose (300 WinMag) and will hunt deer (35 Whelen) in the Gatineaus in late October and early November.

Duke1
 
i would go for the 358 because you can buy it in a lever action but thats not the only thing if you reload its a superb cartridge and its in a short action which improves stiffness and accuracy,but don't get me wrong the whelen is a nice cartridge but it has headspace problems in any case i would go for the 358 short action and just as good as the whelen if not better in some aspects
 
.35 whelen does not have "headspace" problems. Either cartridge will do the job for which it is intended. After you sift through all the "opinions" it boils down to what action and cartridge you like for your hunting conditions. With either one handloading is a must to get the full benefit of the cartridges.

FWIW, 44Bore
 
44Bore, you are right on about the supposed headspace problems with the 35 Whelen. Just ask anyone who actually uses the cartridge. This is an old myth that needs to be put to rest forever.

I used a 375 Whelen for years and never had a moments problem. No misfires, no head separations, no problems at all.

The guy who has it now is still using some of the same cases he got from me almost twenty years ago, and this with a bullet that is seventeen thousandths larger than the 35.

Ted
 
sunray said:
Neither are particularly easy finding ammo or brass. Especially in smaller places. If you get off into the bush and find you've left your ammo on the kitchen table, you likely won't be able to pop into Crappy Tire and buy either.Go with what you can find in Crappy Tire. Most of 'em carry the same stuff. Can't say as I've ever seen either the .35 Whelen or .358 Win in any Crappy Tire.
I have seen .444 Marlin and .45-70 though. Both come in handy lever actions and will drop a deer with no fuss.
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You're right with the difficulty in finding ammo for these calibres.

For those in the Ottawa area, Sport Actions will order the 35 Whelen ammo from Remington (200 & 250 grs) for $35.99 a box.

LeBaron does not carry 35 Whelen ammo but Wholesale Sports does.

Duke1

PS. handloading is definitely the way to go - will be looking for dies very shortly.
 
358 vs 35 Whelan

I like the 358 and 35 Whelan both. However, the short action of the 358 in something like a Browning BLR with a low powered scope makes for a great compact little rifle for bear, moose or deer. The only drawback is the 200 grain Winchester Silvertips are the only factory ammo available that I'm aware of. This ammo works good on deer, but handloading something like 225 grain Partitions makes this gun really come alive.
 
358 win, 600 rem= 11 moose, i grizzly, two black bears, two cariboo, only 1 bullet recovered on a moose at near 400 yards. all 250 grain hornady, speer, spitzer and round nose over a period of about 10 years. none took more than one shot or took more than two steps. works better than the 375 holland on yukon game. you couldnt possibly get better than this.
 
skit said:
358 win, 600 rem= 11 moose, i grizzly, two black bears, two cariboo, only 1 bullet recovered on a moose at near 400 yards. all 250 grain hornady, speer, spitzer and round nose over a period of about 10 years. none took more than one shot or took more than two steps. works better than the 375 holland on yukon game. you couldnt possibly get better than this.
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How is a .358Win better than a 375H&H for Yukon game?

It shoots lighter bullets at slower velocity :confused:


SC..................
 
I am a huge fan of any cartridge built on the 308 case, currently I have a 243 and a 358, and will hopefully be adding to that collection soon. I cannot see how a 358 could be 'better' than the 375 H&H on Yukon game, unless you are saying it is better because it might be easier to shoot as far as recoil is concerned. I also believe that when faced with a shot at game, as long as the chambering is adequate, the 'best' gun to have is the one you are carrying. ;)
 
My 35 Whelen(Rem 7600) has a little more power and range than my 358 Win(Browning BLR).
Both the 35 Whelen and the 358 Win have been very effective on moose and elk for me.
My 358 Win and 35 Whelen have dropped 25 Moose, 2 elk and several Deer with only one shot each and occasionally a second shot for insurance.
Those big bullets sure anchor Moose and Elk effectively.
My longest measured shot with my 35 Whelen was 375 yds to a one shot kill on a moving cow moose. I dropped a moose calf a little further away than that, but was unable to measure the distance.

My 35 Whelen(Rem 7600) likes the Hornady 250 gr SP with an appropriate charge of RL15 and measured velocity is 2600 to 2650 fps.
The first 3 shots measure about .75" center to center.

My 358 Win(Browning BLR) likes the Sierra 225 gr BT with an appropriate charge of IMR 4895 and measured velocity is 2550 fps +/-
The first 3 shots measure about 1.25" center to center.

Check the external ballistics on the above bullets and you will see that they do very well.
I'm impressed with the performance that the 35 Whelen and the 358 Win have to offer both in terms of power and range.

I do not feel disadvantaged hunting with either rifle.

Good Luck
John
 
FWIW, .35 Whelen brass can be made from .30-06 brass in two shakes of a lamb's tail. Just run it through the .35W sizing die - done. You'll lose a couple thou in brass length but this will fix itself by the third reload on the case due to stretch.

FWIW, most of my Whelen brass is 1969 Lake City .30-06 brass reformed. Cheap, reliable, high quality, and oh yeah... cheap.
 
I recently bought a mint 700CDL chambered in 35 Whelen from a fellow gunnut on CGN. I am impressed with the initial results. I loaded various 225 and 250 grain bullets with RL15 and Vihtavuori N540. Almost all shot groups in the 1" area or slightly less. Best grooups [as expected] came with the 225 Ballistic tip and 61 grains of RL15, within a few thousands of an inch was the same bullet with 58 grains of N540. No graph results yet, but will bet this bullet is over 2700 in that 24" tube. The 250 hornady went into .95" with N540, and the speer 250 went 1.08" with RL15. I am guessing these are in the 2625-2650 fps area. These should be effective loads for anything that walks in N America. I will be trying the 225 Partition shortly. Will report on Chronograph results later. Regards, Eagleye.
 
Red
I just ran my CDL in 35 Whelen through with the 250gr Hornady spire point / Rem case / fed 210 and 59.5 of RL 15. (2642 fps @the muzzle) 2627 @15 feet.
BD
 
BwanaDave said:
Red
I just ran my CDL in 35 Whelen through with the 250gr Hornady spire point / Rem case / fed 210 and 59.5 of RL 15. (2642 fps @the muzzle) 2627 @15 feet.
BD
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Just a friendly note...this load is 4.4gr ABOVE MAX load listed in Hornady's 4th edition. IIRC 60.0gr of RL15 is a popular charge in .35 Whelen AI with 250gr., but don't quote me on it!
 
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