35 Whelen VS 358 Win

Actually according to Alliant's info 59.5 gr of RL-15 is the top/max load. See this link:

http://recipes.alliantpowder.com/rg...rtridgedescr=Whelen&bulletdescr=Hornady 250RN

My 35 Whelen(Rem 7600) likes the Hornady 250 gr SP with an appropriate charge of RL15 and measured velocity is 2600 to 2650 fps.
The first 3 shots measure about .75" center to center.
I actually load 60.0gr of RL-15 and notice no ill effects. This may be too much for your rifle and would be wise to drop the load by 10% and work up to it.

Good Luck
John
 
358 VS 35 Whelen

Thanks folks for all the usefull information.

Just thought that I would bring you up to date on what I have purchased in these calibers. First, I bought from a fellow GN at a real good price a 35 Whelen built on a Mauser action with muzzle brake and synthetic stock. This is a heavy rifle and might not be completely suited for my kind of hunting.

Second, I'm in the process of buying a Browning BLR-81 (steel receiver) in 358 Win. I should be getting it shortly. And, yesterday I bought a beautiful new Browning BLR81 in stainless steel (barrel) and nickel plated receiver complete with grey laminated stock (just released and I believe going at 6 lb 8 oz). I believe this is a limited editition and I paid around $875 after 7% discount (actual price is $936.99) at LeBaron in Ottawa (they still have a 450 Marlin in stock). I believe these are going at around $1149 at S.I.R and not in these heavy calibers.

I have not fired nor hunted with them - deer season is over but where I hunted in heavy bush and sometimes dirty weather, the stainless steel BLR would have been excellent. I started to hunt with my Tikka M55 in 308 and when faced with the bad weather, I changed to my Tikka T3 Lite in S/S and 300 Win Mag. I know this was way too much gun for the game but felt comfortable about shooting under the conditions. Although there were a number of deer in our area, unfortunately, none of us was successful.

I will probably end up to selling one of these but will wait a while before making up my mind. I will probably sell something else from my collection to help pay part of this.

Thanks again,

Duke1

PS. Although a regular moose hunter, this was my only deer hunting experience in the last 15 years or so, but will not be the last.
 
Remington is offering their Model 700 CDL in the .35 Whelen and it's available from Wholesale Sports at a reasonabe price. If you don't like wood and are looking for something synthetic, you can have one rebored. I had a Model 700 BDL DM rebored from .25-06 to .35 Whelen and I've mowed animals down like crazy with it this fall. I wanted one with a detachable magazine but in hindsight it's not as important is I first thought. You can pick up a good used .25-06, .270, .280, 30-06 and have it rebored to the .35 Whelen. I think my gunsmith said that he needs .625 muzzle diameter for a rebore so don't p/u a mountain rifle for a rebore. You could get a mountain rifle but you would likely need to have a new barrel made for it. Let me know if you're interested in getting into this project. It took me quite a while to get mine back but man it was worth the wait. You can see my rifle in the "Hunting" section. I've been eying up those new Remington Model 700 SPS Stainless rifles and pondering boring one of those out to .35 Whelen. They're only 599 brand new. $300 for a rebore and you're good to go. Whatever your choice, shoot it lots.

Best regards,

Slooshark1
 
If any of you would like to build a very effective little 35 caliber brush gun with impressive performance, try the 35 Sambar. It may be the next "WSM" caliber to be offered by Winchester. It is simply a 300 WSM necked up to 35 cal. It will outperform the 35 Whelen, 350 Rem. mag or 358 winchester (I have all 3).
 
tattopguns said:
If any of you would like to build a very effective little 35 caliber brush gun with impressive performance, try the 35 Sambar. It may be the next "WSM" caliber to be offered by Winchester. It is simply a 300 WSM necked up to 35 cal. It will outperform the 35 Whelen, 350 Rem. mag or 358 winchester (I have all 3).
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I find this interesting... what exactly is the .35 Sambar? My understanding was that the .325WSM was as large a calibre possible in the Short Mags without losing performance.
Winchester/Browning had found that even in .338 they could not match the belted magnum's performance.
I would be impressed if the .35 on a WSM platform did outperform the Whelan:confused:
 
BIGREDD said:
I find this interesting... what exactly is the .35 Sambar? My understanding was that the .325WSM was as large a calibre possible in the Short Mags without losing performance.
Winchester/Browning had found that even in .338 they could not match the belted magnum's performance.
I would be impressed if the .35 on a WSM platform did outperform the Whelan:confused:
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I don't know why the WSM would not perform in a .338 or .375, it makes no sense. Look at the Dakota line of cartridges, which can be considered a stretched WSM (or the WSM is a sgortened Dakota!). the .330 Dakota handiky outperforms the .338 Win Mag - 2900fps with a 250gr bullet. The .375 Dakota hits 2600 with a 300 grain bullet, wich is a little better than the H&H version. So why wouldn't a slightly shorter version be equal to a .338 Win Mag and close to a .375 H&H?

The Dakota versions have a case capacity of 97 and 98gr respectively.

The .338 Win Mag is 85.6gr, the .35 Whelen is 72.63 and the .350 Rem Mag is 73.74gr. In comparison, the .300 WSM has a case capacity of 80.4gr.


So, one would expect ~8gr greater powder capacity in the .35 WSM than in the .35 Whelen or .350 RM. Since it is loaded to higher pressure, I'd think the WSM would handily outperform either.
 
well its been discussed alot that the 338 WSM could only come within 100 fps of the 338 Win Mag when loaded with the classic bullet weight of 250 grains. This is a marketing failure in their eyes.

Id love to see a short action rifle that can spit out a 250 gr. @ 2550 fps, it would be a real thumper on game.
 
todbartell said:


Id love to see a short action rifle that can spit out a 250 gr. @ 2550 fps, it would be a real thumper on game.
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Lay your eyes upon the .350 Remington Magnum!:D
 
Slooshark1,
Could you please email or pm me with info on your gunsmith who did the rebore? Costs? I am looking for someone to rebore my 30-06 to Whelen or 338-06. Thanks.
 
I shoot both the 35 Whelen and the 358 Win (350 rem Mag as well, and 358 Norma Mag), I have a 35 fixation, lol. The 358 is slightly quicker in action for hunting (BLR), the 35 Whelen pushes the bullets slightly faster (Mauser 98 based sporter); the quickest of the three is my 350 Rem Mag, because it too is built on a 98 action. This allows you to seat the bullets out, and gets you a solid 2600 fps, about the same as an improved 35 Whelen. I have a friend in MT who has built both a 338 and a 358 WSM, they are good short action performers, a little slower then thier belted magnum counterparts, but that's to be expected. Due to magazine and col interferance, you have to seat all the heavier bullets deeper into the case (like the factory 350 Rem Mag), and this cuts into case capacity, slowing performance. With the heaviest bullets for caliber, you have to seat them in far enough that you have both potential velocity loss and bullet retention problems. Stick to 250 and lighter bullets, and they work just fine though. FWIW - dan
 
Handloading Data .350 Rem mag.
Bullet Powder Primer Case Starting Load (gr.) Maximum Load (gr.) Velocity (fps)
180-gr. Barnes XFP RL7 Rem. Rem. 50.8 54.3 3,011
180-gr. Barnes XFB H335 Rem. Rem. 57.5 61.0 2,997
200-gr. Barnes XFB IMR4895 Rem. Rem. 55.0 58.5 2,737
200-gr. Barnes XFB BL-C(2) Rem. Rem. 57.5 61.0 2,810
225-gr. Swift A-Frame WW748 Rem. Rem. 55.7 59.2 2,712
225-gr. Sierra SP H335 Rem. Rem. 50.0 53.8 2,574
225-gr. Sierra SP IMR4895 Rem. Rem. 51.5 55.0 2,608
250-gr. Nosler Part WW748 Rem. Rem. 54.0 57.5 2,552
250-gr. Hornady SP H380 Rem. Rem. 55.5 59.2 2,349
250-gr. Swift A-Frame RL15 Rem. Rem. 52.0 55.1 2,430

The .350 Rem mag is impressive for sure! I wonder if the WSM case could improve on this? The Rem is already a short action... the only downside I can see is the belt and a longer barrel per velocity compared to a WSM.
Makes you think though...
 
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BIGREDD said:
Handloading Data .350 Rem mag.

200-gr. Barnes XFB BL-C(2) Rem. Rem. 57.5 61.0 2,810
225-gr. Swift A-Frame WW748 Rem. Rem. 55.7 59.2 2,712


The .350 Rem mag is impressive for sure! I wonder if the WSM case could improve on this? The Rem is already a short action... the only downside I can see is the belt and a longer barrel per velocity compared to a WSM.
Makes you think though...
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i don't think anything could stand up to these loads! I think that you'd get a good 5-7gr extra case capacity with the wsm case, so equal or a slight increase in performance is a reasonable expectation.
 
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