And I was gonna give you a super deal on a 2nd one I just found.
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And I was gonna give you a super deal on a 2nd one I just found.
BigUglyMan
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Usually you base it ons percentage of the daily rate. 10 day safari in RSA for plains game at $400/day usually garners you a $400 tip plus some extra if you shoot something exceptional. Dangerous game usually runs around $1K per day. When I hunted Zimbabwe I tipped my PH a thousand bucks plus a handmade knife valued around $400. I had a great hunt and got a titanic warthog and a civet, which is rare to get in daylight. Then there are tips for the camp manager and for the trackers, skinners and camp staff
Tipping in Africa, and hunting in general, is a touchy subject. Too little and you alienate the PH (who isn't getting rich on his wage, believe me), too much and you question (over and over) why that good for nothing SOB would be worth it and you'll start hating him for it.
BigUglyMan
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And when both Donna Boddington (Craig's wife) and Brittany used #1s (Donna used a 450-400 and Brittany used a 405 WCF) they had not only a double rifle toting PH but Craig there with his 416 Taylor to put in backup shots, if necessary. Not to mention that both of those girls seem to be able to shoot. The #1 wouldn't be my choice but there's no reason that you couldn't do it in a similar situation.
Thank you BUM, I have tipped up to 7000 USD for an outstanding hunt and offered 10,000 USD tip for a 60" Marco Polo. Tipping is discrestionary but it is an important part of a PH's yearly income. Like BUM said 10% of the daily is kinda minimum and it goes up from there.
On my Mongolian hunt for Altai Argali I tipped my guide/interpreter 1000 usd which is an insult and was intented to be one. He was a moron and my Altai is at best mediocre. I shot an Ibex at more than 600 mtrs and they wouldn't even go check it out, I'm 90% sure I made a good shot but they said I missed. I may hunt with that company again but never with that guide/interpreter.
On my Mongolian hunt for Altai Argali I tipped my guide/interpreter 1000 usd which is an insult and was intented to be one. He was a moron and my Altai is at best mediocre. I shot an Ibex at more than 600 mtrs and they wouldn't even go check it out, I'm 90% sure I made a good shot but they said I missed. I may hunt with that company again but never with that guide/interpreter.
9.3x62 vs 35 Whelen is the new 270 vs 280.
I have a 9.3x62 so I'm biased. We did cover this ground a while back and I think that I sorted so much fly-poop from pepper to make my case that the Whelen guys conceded defeat.
BUM: I think the 9.3x62 is to the 35W, what the 30-06 is to the 270
and from what I have read, the debate regarding the .375H&H has to do with penetration... the .366 286gr penetrates better than the .375 270gr, and right there with the 300gr... BUT with 25% or so less powder.
unless I win a BIG lottery, or have some long lost gazzillionaire leave me a bunch of $$$ I doubt I'll ever hunt Africa
but if I did, I'd take the biggest rifle I could shoot well ( wouldn't be afraid of a #1, as I have one and shoot it lots) BUT I'd still be telling my PH to take his followup shot as soon as I pulled the trigger! My goal would be to put a bullet into the animal, and let the PH do his job! Keep my animal DOWN!
but if I did, I'd take the biggest rifle I could shoot well ( wouldn't be afraid of a #1, as I have one and shoot it lots) BUT I'd still be telling my PH to take his followup shot as soon as I pulled the trigger! My goal would be to put a bullet into the animal, and let the PH do his job! Keep my animal DOWN!
BigUglyMan
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You'd be surprised how affordable it an be. Quit eating out/smoking/going to the bar/W.H.Y. and put that cash away in a savings account. In about 3 years you'll have enough for plains game in RSA or Namibia.
I may get to Africa this year for work and will do a couple of days of hunting. I hope to hunt oryx but I'll bring two rifles in case I change my mind, my BRNO 600/B&L 3x9 in 30-06 and matching BRNO 602/Leupold 1.5x5 in .375 H&H.
I think that whatever rifle you bring, being a good shot off hand and off of shooting sticks is more important than specific calibers as long as your rifle cartridge is suitable for the game being hunted.
I think that whatever rifle you bring, being a good shot off hand and off of shooting sticks is more important than specific calibers as long as your rifle cartridge is suitable for the game being hunted.
Nanuk, I went to the bank and borrowed the money for my first African hunt, I can't save money long term worth a sh!t but I'm real good at making payments.
I did this on the advice of a friend who waited until he was in his 50s to hunt there. He got sick from the heat and lost several days hunting. He was quite adament that one should go when as young as possible, being more resiliant and less suseptible to the rigors one can face.
I would give you the same advice, you can have a great hunt with lots of animals for the price of a new pick up truck (gas) and it seems we can all find the money for one of these when we want it. Pay it off in three years and you'll have mounts and memories for a lifetime unlike a pick up truck.
BUT BE WARNED, Arican soil has a micro-organism in it, that shoes and boots can't stop from getting into your blood. This causes a very serious sickness and the only cure is astonomically expensive. It involves returning to Africa every 5-7 years, sometimes even more frequently, and killing many head of African game, this is the only known cure.
I have only spoken to 2 people who didn't contract this illnesss out of hundreds I've spoken to who have hunted there.
c-fbmi - just a few comments for you as a counterpoint to yours on the 35Whelen - related to hunting NA - not Africa.
I sure don't keep my 35Whelens around for nostalgia's sake - the only reason you suggest justifiable for having one today. Also I wonder if you forget how effective 35s are. Do you remember you once extolled the 350RemMag - even buying a second for your son. To use your own words, it "...KILLS (caps yours) wonderfully out to 300 mtrs and beyond." I agree. So surely what's very good about the 350RemMag must attach also to its long action ballistic twin.
If the 350RemMag deserves to live on with such praise, then the easier to feed 35 Whelen does too. The 06 is a good "do all" choice for big game no doubt. I recommended one to my son last year who doesn't reload. However the poor man's magnum is also a good big game "do all" gun. It still performs at least as good (better IMO) as it did when first developed a 100 years ago - being an improvement on the 30-06 for that purpose. I have killed big game with both - 35s properly loaded generally anchor animals better - IME anyway.
As to versatility of the 30-06 you mention, I can shoot 140s to 310gr in my 35 whelens and send jacketed 225s out at 2700 commonplace - with a 22" tube. Not sure how easy the 06 does this (in response to your thought re 06 220s "at the same velocity").
Respectfully,
Whelen B
I sure don't keep my 35Whelens around for nostalgia's sake - the only reason you suggest justifiable for having one today. Also I wonder if you forget how effective 35s are. Do you remember you once extolled the 350RemMag - even buying a second for your son. To use your own words, it "...KILLS (caps yours) wonderfully out to 300 mtrs and beyond." I agree. So surely what's very good about the 350RemMag must attach also to its long action ballistic twin.
If the 350RemMag deserves to live on with such praise, then the easier to feed 35 Whelen does too. The 06 is a good "do all" choice for big game no doubt. I recommended one to my son last year who doesn't reload. However the poor man's magnum is also a good big game "do all" gun. It still performs at least as good (better IMO) as it did when first developed a 100 years ago - being an improvement on the 30-06 for that purpose. I have killed big game with both - 35s properly loaded generally anchor animals better - IME anyway.
As to versatility of the 30-06 you mention, I can shoot 140s to 310gr in my 35 whelens and send jacketed 225s out at 2700 commonplace - with a 22" tube. Not sure how easy the 06 does this (in response to your thought re 06 220s "at the same velocity").
Respectfully,
Whelen B
Well I ordered a Cooper Excalliber from Clay at Profit River the other day in well my fav calliber 35 Whelen!! I have always loved it and if you really look into it was one of the most efficent callibers ever created! That is for the amount of powder put in the case to how fast it pushes the size of bullet out of the barrel. I have owned several in the past and I currently hunt everything on the planet with my Ruger#1 in 375h&h but wanted a new bolt action and the cooper just called to me, and I own a pile of guns and shoot most at the range at paper mostly but my old #1 kills everything from yotes to buffs in the tall grass. I also hunted with a old boy that had only hunted with ruger#1 rifles and he could reload his faster than I could cycle the bolt on my gun so calling a single shot not good for dangerous game is a little off, maybe a single shot in the wrong hands, that could be true. And the olde 35 if very capable of takeing down anything on this planet unless T-Rex is going to come out of some swamp. Never ever judge the gun or the calliber or the man unless you have seen all of them work together and fail. Just my 2 cents
BUSTED !!!! I was actually remembering my comments on the 350 as I was writing these comments about the Whelen, and I do love my 350 and it does kill all out of porportion to it's diminutive appearance. I guess what I was thinking was that if a man has a 30-06 (which I'm not a terrific fan of either and think there are way better cartridges out there for my needs) does he really need a Whelen and is it a big step up. Just because I don't care for the 06 I would never deny the killing ability of it, and is the Whelen that much better? Would any of the stuff I shot with my 350 be any more alive or dead if it had been a 220 gn '06? Absolutely not.
I must concede I have been opining an unsupportable position.
Forgive me gentlemen for my irrational dislike of the '06, 35 Whelen, and particularly the 270.
Touche WhelenB, I concede your points, my position is irrational and is not supported by fact or ballistics.
100% true. In all cases, the bullet was a pointed coreloct factory Remy load.
BigUglyMan
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W.H.Y. = What Have You.
Lots of guys running 7 day PG packages in RSA or Namibia for under $6K. If you look at people like Hunters Namibia Safaris in Namibia you get a pretty good idea. Google PHASA and NAPHA and peruse members' sites and you'll see the incredible variety. Research likely candidates theough sites like 24HrCampfire and Accuratereloading and call references to maximize your confidence prior to signing on for a hunt and you should have a great time.
200gr? I use 250gr Nosler Partitions or a Speer SP. Eat up to the hole.
Use 225 NP in my 81 BLR 358 Win, same thing. Complete penetration on any angle on deer. Trying the 250 NP in my Whelen this spring on black bears and then in the fall on elk and moose.
You don't need the Noslers, Speers work great but I feel very comfortable shooting big game with them. Confidence in ones gun goes a long way!
Suggestions on a scope for 7600 Whelen.
200 yards max as I am not a long range shooter.
Wide open, to thick brush. Ontario.
Deer/moose, maybe bear.
Factory ammo.
I have a new Burris e1 3-9 here that I might try.
Other thoughts or suggestions???
200 yards max as I am not a long range shooter.
Wide open, to thick brush. Ontario.
Deer/moose, maybe bear.
Factory ammo.
I have a new Burris e1 3-9 here that I might try.
Other thoughts or suggestions???
