350 magnum remington guidegun-or 450 marlin ?

Nothing like a comparison thread to get guys yapping.......

The .450 Marlin in a BLR kicks like a mule. That is the only rifle in which I have shot that cartridge. It was hugely more ignorant than a .45-70 in the three or four rifles I have shot in that chambering, and probably second only to .458 Win Mag in my lifetime "Cartridges that Beat the Snot out of me Index"

If I had to contend with velociraptors at short distances in thick bush I might consider carrying another shootin' iron chambered for .450 Marlin. But since that is fairly remote, I won't.

I only ever had one .350 Rem Mag, in a Rem 600, and I regret swapping it away. This is a fabulous and under-rated cartridge, but like Darryl and others have said, not the only one in that category. In the .35 cal chamberings that I have tried (.35 Rem, .358 Win, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem Mag) all things being equal I would go back to the .358 Win. Never tried a .356 or a .358 Norma Mag, but I want to!

But anyways if it comes down to a choice for a short-range down and dirty kill or be killed gun.....................well then I guess it is a 12 gauge pump gun. ;-)

Doug
 
I have only owned one 450 Marlin (Winchester Timber Carbine) which was ported and would deafen you! I didn't think the recoil was unbearable but it let you know 'with authority' that you were shooting!!!

I agree with Doug 100% on the 358 winchester! Although I own/have owned rifles in 350 Rem Mag, 35 Rem, 35 Whelen, 356 Win and have shot a 358 Norma (OUCH!) I would still go with the 358 Winchester.
 
M.T. Chambers (new to site)

I may be new to the site....but not new to bullets as I supply bullets for use on large and dangerous game.....when dealing with large and dangerous game you want a caliber with lots of 4s and 5s in it....the more the better.....the 45/70 is choice #1.....450 Alaskan if you can afford it........50 Alaskan....if you can stand it! All stoked with 485gr. Wide Flat nose, hard cast bullets at 1800 fps in the Marlin to 2200 in the Alaskans. Its not that any one else is wrong, I just think they all read the same magazines.
 
ben hunchak said:
I may be new to the site....but not new to bullets as I supply bullets for use on large and dangerous game.....when dealing with large and dangerous game you want a caliber with lots of 4s and 5s in it....the more the better.....the 45/70 is choice #1.....450 Alaskan if you can afford it........50 Alaskan....if you can stand it! All stoked with 485gr. Wide Flat nose, hard cast bullets at 1800 fps in the Marlin to 2200 in the Alaskans. Its not that any one else is wrong, I just think they all read the same magazines.
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Maybe in Africa... but IMHO North America doesn't have any "large and dangerous game" that can't be snuffed out with a 7-08 and a 140 TSX.

Now if you're looking for a "stopping rifle", then just open up one of the 175 different bear defense threads... lots of good advice there.

Have you ever seen wide flat nose cast bullets used on game? I realize you "supply" them, but Titilist supplies golf balls... don't make them Tiger Woods!

I'll take my 35 Whelen and 225gr TSX over my old 45-70 and hard cast WFN's and day of the week... I've seen hardcast in action a handful of times...

Its not that any one else is wrong, I just think they all read the same magazines.
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Great way to introduce yourself to the site.... used to be a fella that ran here called KMB... he tried that approach too... not that well received.

If you stick around, you'll soon learn that most of us "magazine learned" internet heros do hunt once in a while... and actually may know a thing or two ourselves...

Now if you'll excuse me, I must go tell the moose, grizz, and large blackies I've killed that they've been cheated.... not nearly enough 4's and 5's in the caliber.... darned misleading magazine articles anyhow (grin)!!!!!

Welcome to the site!

280_ACKLEY
 
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ben hunchak said:
I may be new to the site....but not new to bullets as I supply bullets for use on large and dangerous game.....when dealing with large and dangerous game you want a caliber with lots of 4s and 5s in it....the more the better.....the 45/70 is choice #1.....450 Alaskan if you can afford it........50 Alaskan....if you can stand it! All stoked with 485gr. Wide Flat nose, hard cast bullets at 1800 fps in the Marlin to 2200 in the Alaskans. Its not that any one else is wrong, I just think they all read the same magazines.
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What exactly are you trying to say?:confused:
It sounds like you are dismissing the members here... and dismissing bullets other than hard cast?:rolleyes:
I may be wrong about you but I resent the implication that we are all reading the same magazines.;)
 
What lives under a bridge and growls at passers-by?

Who would have thought that trolls come in hard-cast .45 cal packaging?

Doug
 
ben hunchak said:
I may be new to the site....but not new to bullets as I supply bullets for use on large and dangerous game.....when dealing with large and dangerous game you want a caliber with lots of 4s and 5s in it....the more the better.....the 45/70 is choice #1.....450 Alaskan if you can afford it........50 Alaskan....if you can stand it! All stoked with 485gr. Wide Flat nose, hard cast bullets at 1800 fps in the Marlin to 2200 in the Alaskans. Its not that any one else is wrong, I just think they all read the same magazines.
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I'll never shoot a hard cast when there is a modern, controled expansion bullet available.

you can only fully penitrate an animal once :D
 
There's no game in North America that requires hard cast or solids. Africa, maybe, but not here. Hard cast increases penetration, but all the calibres discussed here so far will completely penetrate any species here using expanding bullets.

So a 45/70 w/hard cast will leave a 45 cal hole straight through the game. A 350 Rem Mag, using expanding bullets and assuming 2x cal expansion will leave a .70 cal hole through the game...
 
Far as I know, the 358 has gone the way of the dodo, with no one currently chambering guns for it.

But any 308 ought to be easily re-barreled to 358
 
wow, this thread is still alive. as per the original query, i would take the remington. i, however, do not really like the model seven action it employs (it has a tendency to bind), and would instead try and find a used ruger 35 whelen or 350 with sights. 350 is a truly great calibre.
 
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given the ballistics ,why is the 350 not more a popular choice for moose/bear hunting?
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i can't say. it is a wonderful hard hitting cart w/o excessive recoil. compared to the 450 i would consider it pleasant. in the remington, which is hefty, recoil is not bad at all.
 
does Savage chamber anything in the 350magnum?Given the responses here,I'm just surprised the 350 isn't more in demand,it certainly seems to have support for it's moderate recoil and effective larger game capabilities.
 
I believe at the current time, Remington chambers the 350 RM in both the 673 & Model Seven CDL, and Ruger makes a Walnut/blue & Stainless/Synthetic m77 mk2
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