.357 mag on Grizz?

[geologist]

Here are the above stats as % probabilities

>2m
No injury Injured Dead
7.76 x 25mm 67% 19% 14%
7.62 Nagant 53% 20% 27%
9x18 53% 26% 21%
7.65 Browning 36% 27% 36%
9x19 70% 20% 10%
.25 ACP 38% 13% 50%
.45 ACP 86% 14% 0%

<2m
No injury Injured Dead
7.76 x 25mm 44% 22% 33%
7.62 Nagant 25% 50% 25%
9x18 43% 29% 29%
7.65 Browning 33% 33% 33%
9x19 43% 29% 29%
.25 ACP 0% 25% 75%
.45 ACP 50% 50% 0%

 

[target]

Maybe I'm missing something here but the last I looked most CGN members live in Canada. As much as I would love to carry my restricted with me into the bush, the powers to be would have me only take it to and from ranges/clubs. So unless they make it so I can carry in more places (I wish we could force the government to change this law), the only place you would shoot a grizzly with a handgun is at home or a range.

 

[Grove]

Well after recent toying around, I'd for sure take a .500 Magnum with me out in the bush. Despite flinchin like a mofo, I can hit my target. Hitting a bear with a .500 shouldnt be that hard.........right? lol

 

[FirstBMW]

Target:
Yes you are missing something here.
You have an ATT authorization to transport. It lets you go to the range, or the smith's, and back home.
An ATC or authorization to carry (also sometimes known as wilderness carry) can be obtained by persons who work in the wild, and can prove that they are not easily able to carry a rifle. Think geolgist, forestry worker, miner ect.
Look into it in MB, it can be had.

 

[IM_Lugger]

guess_kto where did you find the info? do you have a link?

 

[TPK]

Here's what I have at home and wouldn't hesitate to bring for Bear defense. (I hope the link works). If not, it's a S&W 500 (6.5" barrel).

http://www.hunt101.com/img/424082.jpg

 

[aiwa]

I would love to carry my restricted with me into the bush

A revolver would make the most sense, of course...but I'd love to be in the market for a DE holster.

 

[troutseeker]

I love them threads!!! I have a Ruger SRH in .44 mag that just came back from barrel shortening. It went from 7.5" to 5", target crown, nice job all around.. It looks great and shoots damn well too. I'll be using 300 grain cast bullets for bear defense. My ATC should be here soon I hope...

I also take a short 870 with slugs.

Troutseeker

 

[geologist]

troutseeker

Pictures, we demand pictures!!!!

 

[woodchopper]

The 629 hands down. Penetration is key. 9mm's are for shooting popcans and such

I hope popcan dosn't read this


I would take my .357 with my 180grn hollowpoint reloads. But a shorty shotgun with slugs would be better.

 

[target]

Target:
Yes you are missing something here.
You have an ATT authorization to transport. It lets you go to the range, or the smith's, and back home.
An ATC or authorization to carry (also sometimes known as wilderness carry) can be obtained by persons who work in the wild, and can prove that they are not easily able to carry a rifle. Think geolgist, forestry worker, miner ect.
Look into it in MB, it can be had.

Thanks FirstBMW
I was unaware of a "authorization to carry" for specified wilderness purposes. I was aware of the US "concealed carry" permits. CGN'rs are a wealth of knowledge.

 

[IM_Lugger]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey
The 629 hands down. Penetration is key. 9mm's are for shooting popcans and such

type IIIA vest is rated for 240gr 44mag and 124gr 9mm both at 1400fps and under; looks like 9mm and .44mag have the same penetration abilities at the same velocities...

 

[target]

Thanks FirstBMW
I was unaware of a "authorization to carry" for specified wilderness purposes. I was aware of the US "concealed carry" permits. CGN'rs are a wealth of knowledge.

After speaking with the CFC regarding ATC's, they basically said: unless your are in law enforcement, an amoured truck guard or in special cases a person who has to work closely with say, polar bears, there's a better chance of getting it on with Jessica Alba than getting an ATC. As quoted: "In Canada civilians don't carry restricted guns, and if a conservation officer stopped me in the bush with a handgun I would be in trouble"
So I guess the idea of using my handgun for bear defence is like I said before "a moot point"

 

[BigUglyMan]

Phil Shoemaker (and I'm not sure how many guys have more brown bear experience than Phil) wrote an article in which he extolled the virtues of a 357 loaded with 180 gr Norma ammo. IIRC his daughter stole it from him because she liked it so much.

Sounds like my kind of daughter!

 

[ben hunchak]

Absolutely last ditch defence minimum on large bears....44 mag. with 325gr. flat point hard cast bullets!

 

[4570-1]

Shot a wounded black between the eyes at about 6 ft. [I was on a big stump above him so the shot was at a good angle]the gun went bang ,the bear looked up at me,I looked at the 38,then dropped it in the drit and unslung the 348.After we found that the 38 lead slug had hit rigth on top of his head and skidded down the right side,It didn't evenmake him drop his head for a second[He was a pretty sick bear and wasn't going to go anywhereso I though it would be a chance to try the pistol out.

 

[cambo]

my choice of hand gun for bear would have to be 45-70. was looking at one the other day.

 

[Johnn Peterson]

As a minimum, my 4" model 29 with 250gr Keith SWC's. Preferable to that, my .500 S&W probably with 440gr GC cast.

 

[870P]

At the absolute minimum, a .41/.44 Mag with heavy "sharp shouldered" solids. Otherwise its a 12 gauge topped with one round of small birdshot {to blind a charging bear} with the remainder being Fiocci Aeroslugs or else some other Brenneke style slug.

 

[Boomer]

A hunting handgun is not the same as a defensive handgun. After reviewing the comments concerning very powerful handguns made by Hamilton Bowen in his book "Custom Revolvers", I am of the opinion that a .44 Magnum and .45 Colt are the right, not the minimum, handgun cartridges for use against bears, in defensive shooting situations. Typically a big bore handgun weighs about 3.5 pounds, and if chambered for a .475 or .500 Linebaugh, or worse yet the even more powerful big bore Maximum cartridges, such a gun would be all but unmanageable. In a defensive shooting scenario, the gun must be drawn and fired quickly and perhaps several times. In a 3.5 pound gun, my .44 loads produce 21 ft/lbs. of recoil. A gun of equal weight in .475 Linebaugh in has nearly 3 times as much recoil. Heavy recoil does not lend itself to fast, accurate shooting, neither do guns which weigh enough to mitigate the recoil of these cartridges.

On the other hand, while a .357 has sufficient penetration, I believe the larger frontal area of the .44/.45 caliber guns would be more forgiving given a marginal shot. However, a handy sized .357 loaded with non-expanding bullets would be more appropriate to the task than the ultra powerful cartridges intended for hunting arms.