358 Winchester or the 35 Whelen ???

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Well........I'm already Missing my 458 and really thinking about another Bear Thumper.
I've had various 45-70's, 375's and even the 458 but I'm really leaning towards something in 35 Cal this time around.
I've only owned one a 356 Big Bore Winchester and it was quite the little thumper. Not sure why I sold that one.......:rolleyes:

Anyways I'm now Very Partial to 700's .....Thanks Tod B ! :dancingbanana:
So that'll be my Chosen Platform.
I'm thinking something like the 700 Mountain Rifle as a Base for my Project. Ultimately I'd like to end up with something like a 35 Cal Mountain Rifle:cool:

My only Dilemma is stick to Short actions and go with the 358 Winchester or step up to the Long action and go with the 35 Whelen .....??:runaway:??

The 358 Win appears to be a Serious Performer and comes so Close to the Whelen (on paper) that I question if there really is much Practical difference between them ?
I am Partial to the "short" action 700's but could live with a long action if it proves to be a substantial increase ?

I guess what I'm after then is I've heard enough 35 Whelen tales and even seen a few animals done in by them......Impressive for sure but what I need are some 358 Winchester Fans to give me the Straight goods on it.
Does it Really Compare to the Whelen :confused:

Thanks for any help:)
 
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this is like comparing the 308 to the 30-06:) ...not like guys actually do that....:D....what cartridge you choose may come down to what action you find first...short or long...PM sent:D
 
Rembo said:
this is like comparing the 308 to the 30-06:) ...not like guys actually do that...:D
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LOL ! Yes I guess it's the Same deal isn't it....
All I'm going from are Loading Manual numbers and it sure looks like the Lil 358 stacks up pretty close to the Whelen ???
That's why I wanted to hear from any body with 358 win experience, I don't know anyone that shoots one to offer some "Real world" ballistics and experiences :confused:
Hopefully there are some Old 88 Fans etc. with a 358 that can shed some light:)
 
I've seen animals hit out to 250 meters with both. Neither animal would have been able to tell the difference. both moose went down instantly and stayed down, they were both within 5 meters of each other on a willow flat when taken, can't ask for a closer real test than that. Both were hit about 6 inces below the spine right above the heart, both bullets went all the way through, exiting the other side. Both hit a rib on entry and took one out on exit. Both arteries under the spine were severed and both lungs were bloodshot with shrapnel and hydrostatic shock. Instant or as close as you can get to instant kills. Both rifles were Remingtons. bearhunter
 
Okay now we're Talking........
I just looked up the "NEW" Model Seven CDL's:eek:
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They Offer this Little GEM in a 350 Rem Mag, a 20" barrel and Sights:cool:

I may have Found something to Seriously Consider........:dancingbanana:
 
Why not? said:
.......or, build a 358 Norma Mag mountain rifle. :D

You can alwys load it down.

Ted
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I knew Ted would show up and offer his opinion on the 358 Winny.......I just couldn't have predicted his response:D

ask 280_Ackely about his 35 Whelen "mountain" rifle
 
The 358 Winchester is the most overlooked and underrated hunting cartridge in North America, period!

I have seen literally tons of really big game put down with it using 250 gr Speer spitzers, and almost always with a single shot.

It is far from the short range cartridge that most people think it is.

You won't go very far wrong with any of the four 35s mentioned so far. :cool:

Ted
 
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358 Winchester

I have a Savage 99 F in 358 with engraved receiver, and lever. I have never shot it, I can’t handle the recoil of big bore rifles due to a back injury.
What is the recoil like compare to a 35 Remington, and a 35 Whalen.
I understand it’s a 308 casing necked up to 35 caliber.
Does it have the snap like a 308 or 30-06?
How far does it carry, short, medium, or long range?
What’s a good choice of bullet weight?
 
albayo said:
What is the recoil like compare to a 35 Remington, and a 35 Whalen.

The 358 recoils about the same as a 30-06 does in the same weight of rifle.


How far does it carry, short, medium, or long range?

Sight the 250 Speer spizer in three inches high at 100 yd and it is five inches low at 250 yds, about a foot at 300.

What’s a good choice of bullet weight?

All we use is the plain vanilla Speer 250 gr spitzer.
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You won't be disappointed in the 358 Win, but as Rick posted, if you find a long action, then build a 35 Whelen.......................or to really have something, a 358 Norma mag. Now there is a cartridge that packs the mail! :cool:

Ted
 
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I coud dance around the issue and say "how far are you gonna shoot? Under 200 yards, there isnt' much difference"

But that woudl be ghey.

SO just get the Whelen, cause it is cool...;)

Better still, use that $$ to go on a hunting trip..$$ to uild it will be similar to a fly in and you have lots of rifes that wil kil a bear....idiot...:)
 
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BCWILL said:
I'm thinking something like the 700 Mountain Rifle as a Base for my Project. Ultimately I'd like to end up with something like a 35 Cal Mountain Rifle...

My only Dilemma is stick to Short actions and go with the 358 Winchester or step up to the Long action and go with the 35 Whelen .....
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Lots of .35's in this house...

My wife has a .358 Winchester currently and there have been a few around previously in the gun safe. Tidy little package, flattens things right out, and gets a lot of velocity out of a little bit of powder. I know that nobody in Canada is bothered by recoil, but just in case anyone were around that appreciated minimal recoil, the .358 Win is as good as it gets for whack power with the least amount of powder burned/recoil.

If I were going standard action, nice as the 35 Whelen is, I'd skip right over it and get a .358 Norma Magnum (or go a bit crazy and have a .35 Newton built instead, which is what I am currently scheming on doing, as soon as I find an action). It is always easy to load down... although for some strange reason many people seem to prefer picking a less powerful cartridge and then attempting to push it right up to the pressure max to get something like the more powerful cartridge would have given them in the first place - at nice pedestrian pressure levels.

I guess the first question is whether you see any advantage in a short versus standard length action (I don't), and after that, whether you can realistically utilize rhino-roller loads out of the bigger .35's for the type of hunting you do. Of course, if you prefer one chambering over the other, then that is all the justification that is required. Incidentally, if you do like playing with cast bullets for recreational shooting or hunting, the .35 is an excellent platform and the .358 Winchester is much easier to get high performance results out of than the larger chamberings.

It is a subject that comes up regularly, but I have to say again that it is an ongoing source of amazement to me that the .358 Winchester hasn't become vastly more popular with those who hunt big game (meaning, those who aren't restricted to deer size critters only). Lots of whack and expansion ratio working in your favour to minimize recoil.
 
It's hard to beat the Whelen in all seriousness. In fact, it's been such a fan favorite since the 20's that Remington re-introduced it in all their long action rifles this year and started pumping out a larger volume of factory loads. Heck, forget buying an action and building a Whelen, the the 7600, 7500, and 700 CDL and BDL are all available this year in the Whelen chambering. It's making a HUGE comeback. Most folks I talk to say it's only a matter of time till you'll be able to buy the rounds at crappy tire and wallyworld.

FWIW, no game in Northa America is going to shrug off a .35 caliber rifle round and walk away like it was nothing - and that includes grizzlies. .358 Win, .35 Whelen, .358 Norma Mag, etc. - all the same difference to Mr. big game within 300 yards. Past that, the Norma mag and the Whelen come into their own vs. the .358 WInchester by retaining more velocity & energy and shooting a bit flatter for the same pressure levels.
 
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It's hard to beat the Whelen in all seriousness. In fact, it's been such a fan favorite since the 20's that Remington re-introduced it in all their long action rifles this year and started pumping out a larger volume of factory loads. Heck, forget buying an action and building a Whelen, the the 7600, 7500, and 700 CDL and BDL are all available this year in the Whelen chambering. It's making a HUGE comeback. Most folks I talk to say it's only a matter of time till you'll be able to buy the rounds at crappy tire and wallyworld.
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.........and that doesn't say much for all the new "whizbang", "superduper", magnums, both short and long.....that have hit the market in the last few years.....seems a lot of guys realize that a decent weight bullet at a modest velocity is all it takes to get the job done out to where the vast majority of us should be shooting anyways....I've said it before...My Whelen will put a 225 Partition out at 2725 and it's only down about 10" at 300 meters....that's flat enough for me...and it recoils like a 30-06....
 
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