358's

grit said:
Just put your Whelen in a lightweight synthetic stock , my ruger M77 35 Whelen weighs 7.25lbs scoped , light enough for any hunt and with a 225gr@2700... No need for anything else ....
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Lighter is good to a point ....

My Whelen weighs 7lb 2oz (23" bbl with 2.5-8) and is a handful at the bench with 250gr full house loads. I had thought about a shorter bbl and lighter scope to reduce weight but have decided against that after a couple outings. Came home from the range on Friday with a headache after firing 30x.
 
WhelanLad said:
...I lugged the bloody Ruger .35 Whelen up the hills with me again, I did in excess of 6.5 k both days and really felt the weight on my shoulder...

...if someone has a BLR 358 and a Ruger of some sort, if the weight is too similar to make that exercise worthless...

Question then goes to- How much lacking is the 358 to a Whelen outto 300 meters...
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I have a take-down 358 Win. BLR that weighs 7.7 lbs and a 338 Win. Mag. Ruger Hawkeye that weighs 8.8 lbs as shown. The 1.1 lb difference is noticeable.

The 358 Win. gives up only about 100 fps MV to the 35 Whelen along with the corresponding bullet drop both of which aren't appreciable.

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358 Winchester Browning BLR Lightweight '81 Stainless Takedown with Leupold FX-II IER Scout 2.5x28mm

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338 Win. Mag. Ruger M77 Hawkeye with Burris Timberline 4x20mm
 
I have a ruger 77 in .358 win and a husky 98 in 9.3x62,
Love the 358 win, it's much easier to shoot well, fun with pistol bullets and trail boss, different rifles as the husky is iron sights and 7lbs with four rounds, .358 is scoped and about 7.5-8lbs,

I think the 9.3 will be better for long shots, as all the 9.3 bullets have better BC and it will push the same weight bullet a bit faster, than a .35 cal,
I have a BLR takedown, .243 heavy and I don't really car for it, it be long gone, but it comes as a spare on fly in trips.
I've shot a couple samber with the .270 win, now days I take the husky 9.3 if pushing scrub or a 300 mag (mines a H&H) for long shots.
What's ammo aviablity like for the .358 win,
Lighter rifle tikka battue in 9.3x62, heavy hitter to 300m, small light scope and sell the ruger #1 , or get a 300 mag don't matter witch , and run 200gr accubonds, or partions,
 
I have a BLR in 358 Win and a Tikka T3 SS Lite in 338 Fed ! The Tikka T3 will NEVER leave me its my ALMOST perfect all around hunting rifle with a Leupold 2.5-8 mounted in Talleys on it ! the 338 Fed is a " Better " all around cartridge then the 358 Win too ! The BLR with the Mag system is a great Truck - Quad rifle ! JMO RJ
 
WhelanLad said:
Gday, mate do you mean modern rifle SAY T3 and actual handloads..... id use 250gr id say or thereabouts (lesser/230?) to keep her flyin bit straighter a bit longer..
factory ammo is mild say, can u pump em up much more tho
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not really pushing harder that the reloading manual are posting and no need for a t3 unless you want a lightweight rifle ... 2500 to 2600fps for a 232 grains is doable and you do not need faster ...
 
I have a CZ 550FS in 9.3x62. It's not what you would call "Lightweight Rifle" but I wouldn't have a problem traversing distance with it. 250gr Woodleigh RN or PP max vel is around 2560fps.
9.3x64 Brenneke would be an option depending on availability of ammo, components "down under". Has about 200fps over the 9.3x62
Does it have to be a larger cal? Any consideration to the 7x64 Brenneke, or 7x57 for that matter?
 
I have both rifles in question... a Ruger M77 MKII .358 and Browning BLR in .358... both rifles use the standard barrel contour, so as a result of the larger bore the .358's are noticeably lighter than their .308 counterparts, which I also own... I have not weighed any of them (or any rifle for that matter), so I cannot quantify an exact comparison, but I don't mind carrying either over hill and dale... the Ruger is more comfortable "slung over shoulder," and the BLR is nicer carried "in hand."
 
burnsy56 said:
Kimber Hunters are now available in "L" action. 30.06 works well for our larger cervids (moose and elk). Forgive me for asking but would that caliber suit your needs? (I know nothing about Sambar). Its the kind of rifle that may allow you to pare down your collection. Light, accurate and reasonably priced. I have one in .308 that is a one-holer.
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For all intents and purposes, sambar are elk... Yes, that has been adequate since the caliber was conceived. The OP did express a desire for large caliber (not necessarily magnum) rifle that is light for long distance carrying.

OP: I think Remington still chambers the Model Seven in 350 Rem mag.
 
Have a t3 in 338 wm with aftermarket peep sight and tikka battue front sight; just under 6.5lbs loaded. It lets you know when you pull the trigger but I've carried it in hand all day over hills and mountains and never thought about the weight.
 
WhelanLad said:
Ok, lets be Cereal for a minute...
Factory T3 338 Federal- done ,, is it enough for the thump with a 250grainer? or is some 220 preferred.
I know of one for around $750...............

So with the Gunsmith, he could Run a Ackley Improved thru it , correct?? an I just neck size cases via 308 brass... not worry on brass life so much , FLS thru a 338 fed die, have chamber so standard ammo chambers..... right?

OR

run a 3006 reamer and do a 338-06..... now we're talken yeah??? id get away with all this under $1000 incl $700 for the gun. maybe less for gun.

thoughts please


EDIT** ... All this and Buzz Kill, the rifles been sold 2 weeks ago... been on the shelf for 3 years. anyway..

Can the 9.3 be loaded hot enough with a 232 Woodleigh or 250gr to match Whelen....... this may be it..

WL
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Tikka T3 Battue in 30-06 reamed to 338-06, super light to carry all day and very handy in the brush
 
good replies from all of you, I just read 2 pages of responses and cant get around everone at the moment, however I will answer some an clear it up tonight!

the Whelen is currently in a Ram line synthetic stock, but I think the ruger action itself is a beefy one an there lies all the weight. id luv to just put it in a good stock but I feel for the $500+ price tag the weight saved would be minimal..

Sell the Ruger 1 and fund into something else like this project is a Go-er if I can sell the Ruger 1, few advertised around 2500,2000 range and ive had mine for 1800 for a while now..


I may have found what I'm after in this link https://ssaagunsales.com/listing/11037 its a Stevens 200 with a TSE barrel in 358 win, recoil pad looks good too..


Calibres- well I use the 7mm08 Montana to good effect but it is a great rifle. when I use a Whelen, it whales the deers and they do not go far, but the rifle is too heavy for my shoulders an their issues...
I'm looking for a 338 or larger bore, on a 3006 or 308 case , on a 'standard cheap' action, synthetic reasonably light in the 7lb range with good enough to use hold over method to 300m ---- the whelen hits 2nd notch down on a burris fullfield scope-- so basically 2500fps area will work.. 200+ gr bullet.
 
problem here is more pricing, availability of some chambered rifles, seldom seen cals like t3 338 feds, rebarrelling price $600 min , so that all adds up - weigh up weather want to go like a custom rem 700 action 35 whelen, or blr 358,.... or t3 9.3 factory gun, as a tikka is around the $1000 mark... so say a Stevens 200 $399 + 35 whelen barrel $600.... we are at $1000 again..
 
I kind of half feel as though I should Begin a project aiming for a 35 Whelen chambered Barrel ....... and An Action for cheap- in a Stock that's synthetic , all of which I could 'Pick up" in the next few months say...
 
I wonder about a light bolt in .338 Fed. Some of those .338 bullets are slippery and useful weights on larger game...
 
I wonder if its time to screw that 308 barrel onto Kimberly......... 308s and 3006 are staple in the sambar game..

decisions... an a lot cheaper for that 30 cal, to run say woodleighs in 180gr range
 
This thread is going downhill fast lol started at 358 win now we are at the 308win..
358 is not expensive to shoot and you can even Plint with pistol bullets and the 358 is interesting
 
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