375 H&H recoil and why shortening barrel is good or bad

[rgv]

but...but...but if you cut the barrel down, people like Claven won't want to buy it off you in a few months when you sell it on CGN Exchange!


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I would WAY rather have a 375 H&H in my hands, than *any* shotgun/slug combination, if a bear needed to be stopped quick.

Don't blame him guys, 'Telling Western Canadians What is Best For Them 101' is a required course in Ontario schools since Confederation

 

[Claven2]

Don't blame him guys, 'Telling Western Canadians What is Best For Them 101' is a required course in Ontario schools since Confederation

Thanks Smartass. I'm from New Brunswick, not Ontario. Check your facts. MY province has a much longer history of being f__cked over by Ontario than yours!

And I recommended a shotgun because:

a) It's more durable.
b) It's a much bigger caliber
c) It hold more rounds
d) It's lighter and faster swinging
e) the action cycles much faster.

Hitting a Grizz with a big slug will be as effective as a .375" 300 grainer and it'll do it faster and more effectively.

I wonder rgv - how often HAVE you been charged by a Grizz? You sure seem t opurport to be the expert on the subject.

 

[Andy]

Whole lotta angst here over someone's barrel that's four inches shorter than what some view as "best".

I have a Browning A-Bolt Medallion in 375 H&H with a 26" barrel that I have used to shoot two deer and taken Moose hunting (sadly to no avial). Given that my shooting lanes were wide open, I did not find the 26" a burden, but had I found it unwieldy, I would not have hesitated to cut it to 22". I did just that with another gun last year, and found it much, much easier to handle than when it had been 26". It's amazing how many fewer branches you hit, how much lighter it is and how it feels in your hands.

IMO, the only time 26" is better than 20" or 22", is when the country is fairly open AND you need every fps of velocity you can get. Varmint hunting, western hunting and Benchrest come to mind - stuff you would not do with the 375 H&H.

26" is not standard length in the 375 H&H and for good reasons. It has a very high expansion ratio and doesn't lose all that much per inch when the barrel is shorter; it doesn't need every ft-lb because it has lots; and easy handling is very important when your prey tends to bite back.

Oh yea, almost forgot - it's a good bear defence round.

 

[todbartell]

Seeing how it is illegal (not to mention unpractical) to hunt Bison, Caribou, Elk, Grizzly, Moose, Mtn Goat, and Sheep with a shotgun, a big bore centerfire is the option here, and chopping the barrel down to make it more portable in bush planes, atvs, etc is smart.

Claven, just admit that other people may have different uses for guns than you would

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[crazy_davey]

Thanks Smartass. I'm from New Brunswick, not Ontario. Check your facts. MY province has a much longer history of being f__cked over by Ontario than yours!

And I recommended a shotgun because:

a) It's more durable.
b) It's a much bigger caliber
c) It hold more rounds
d) It's lighter and faster swinging
e) the action cycles much faster.

Hitting a Grizz with a big slug will be as effective as a .375" 300 grainer and it'll do it faster and more effectively.

I wonder rgv - how often HAVE you been charged by a Grizz? You sure seem t opurport to be the expert on the subject.

Hey Claven, I have been charged by two grizzly bears and been face to face with many black bears. So how many bears have you actually taken with a shotgun?

Hitting a Grizz with a big slug will be as effective as a .375" 300 grainer and it'll do it faster and more effectively.

Have you ever even seen a grizzly other than the Toronto zoo? And please explain to me how you know this last statement is true or atleast in your mind

Sorry Claven but you my friend dont have a clue

 

[Gatehouse]

And I recommended a shotgun because:

a) It's more durable.

What planet are you from? a shotgun is NOT more durable than a bolt aciton rifle, no if's ands or buts. The bolt action is designed to withstand pressures many itmes that of a shortgun, and the action of a bolt rarely wears out.

b) It's a much bigger caliber

Yes, it is wider in diameter. It is not more powerful in energy or any othe rmeasure of cartridge power. It wil not penetrate as deep as a rifle bullet.

c) It hold more rounds

The Brno 602 being discussed here holds 5 rounds of 375 H&H. A pump shotgun of 18" or 20" woudl hold about 5-6. Not a big difference.

d) It's lighter and faster swinging

Given the same length barrel, I dont know about that for sure. A shotgun points fast when using shot but it must be aimed when using slugs. A good scope is probably the fastest way to aim anything.

e) the action cycles much faster.

Yes, you can pump faster than working a bolt, but the difference is probably hard to quantify. a guy who practices wiht his bolt can get the rifle back on target wiht a loaded chamber, whiel recovering form recoil, and that is pretty much the bes tthat can be doen with both firearms.

Hitting a Grizz with a big slug will be as effective as a .375" 300 grainer and it'll do it faster and more effectively.

I disagree, and so would many guys that guide for big grizzlies. A shotgun is not an ideal fighting weapon, a larger bore rifle has much more penetration and power.

A shotgun is a good, powerful weapon, that has been used to stop alot of bears, but you just cannot compare it wiht a large rifle.

I carry a shotgun with Brennekes often when I head intot he woods for a little informal hiking or camping etc, but there are certian areas that I know have larger grizly populations, and the 375 H&h goes with me then.

 

[geologist]

how often HAVE you been charged by a Grizz?

I've only experienced a couple of bluff charges and none came too close before they broke off.

I have had more than a few scary slow "I'm gonna slowly approach you and check to see if you are a prey species" approaches, most when I was young, stupid and unarmed and a few times when I had my .357 magnum with me. The .357 magnum feels like a pellet gun when you're in that situation.

I've also been in poorly run camps where food storage and waste disposal attracted our ursine friends in the dark of night. That short barreled 602 would have been very comforting then.

I'm going to have to make a mount for my M3 light, maybe rig one up on the barrel.

 

[rgv]

Thanks Smartass. I'm from New Brunswick, not Ontario.

I wonder rgv - how often HAVE you been charged by a Grizz? You sure seem t opurport to be the expert on the subject.

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.


And to answer your question, yes I have been treed by a grizzly and had them in camp and run into them in the field more times than I've bothered counting. And where did I puport expertise ??

 

[SuperCub]

Well this topic has generated a bit of emotion eh?

Bubba usually does generate (negative) emotion.

I've owned the 602 in 375Magnum w/25" bbl and wished it was a bit shorter, but, BUBBA is BUBBA, whether it be a classic military or a BRNO 602. I didn't/wouldn't cut mine.

Either way, it's your gun, so who cares.



sc

 

[geologist]

I've always considered a Bubba to be a firearm modification by a relatively unskilled gunowner or gunsmith.

I have gunsmith Tom Norman of Abbotsford doing the work and I'm sure that once he's finished, I'll be pleased as usual by his results.

Gun companies like governments don't always know what's best for an individual. It's up to the individual shooter to figure out what he/she needs and then go out and make it happen.

 

[1899]

If you want a compact .375 then why not sell the Brno and find a Mannlicher stocked Sako Carbine? Or buy a FS CZ in 9.3x62.

 

[geologist]

Sako's are push feeds are they not?

 

[SuperCub]

This seems to be a very good explanation of bubba........................

Bubba'd - can mean many things, but at its most basic, it means simply "altered from original". Can be a synonym for "sporterized". Sometimes derogatory based on the context, e.g. someone took an all original milsurp and "bubba'd" it, even if the work is very well done, perhaps by a skilled gunsmith. Can also mean poor work.

Lots of mil-surps and others have been altered and therefore have been to bubba



sc

 

[geologist]

If I call Tom "Bubba" to his face, he'll probably ##### slap me and ban me from his premises!

 

[Boomer]

Boomer, what is that anti-knuckle-buster-thingie behind the triggerguard made out of ? got close-up pics ?

I have a 375 HH that runs 8-3/4 lb loaded, scoped and slung, and with the long swept pistol grip, it gets my middle finger when shooting fast and you tend to crowd the grip.



I also agree about the barrel band swivel, I like the option of using a tight shooting sling, so I just moved the forward stud as far forward as possible

That's what happened to me, rapid fire and grabbing the pistol grib too high. The spacer is just a piece of nylon held in place with a small screw to the trigger guard, and seems to do the job quite nicely. I can't post pic's from here, but I'll see what I can do when I get home later tonight.

 

[Salty]

Something makes me want to chop every barrel I can find for a while

 

[Boomer]

If you want a compact .375 then why not sell the Brno and find a Mannlicher stocked Sako Carbine? Or buy a FS CZ in 9.3x62.

I would sooner have this if I could find one.

And here is a close up of the spacer on my 602.

 

[Claven2]

Sorry Claven but you my friend dont have a clue

And that about summs up the "holier than thou art" attitude you have.

Have a nice day all, I'm out of this thread if it's only about personal attacks and Ontario bashing (and I'm not even from Ontario )

 

[crazy_davey]

And that about summs up the "holier than thou art" attitude you have.

Have a nice day all, I'm out of this thread if it's only about personal attacks and Ontario bashing (and I'm not even from Ontario )

Thats the best you could come up with? What about some explanation from you about how a 12 guage beats out a 20" barreled 375 H&H for grizzlies and thick bush hunting in western Canada

 

[Gatehouse]

And that about summs up the "holier than thou art" attitude you have.

Have a nice day all, I'm out of this thread if it's only about personal attacks and Ontario bashing (and I'm not even from Ontario )

Claven

I did not personally attack you, nor did I even mention Ontario.

The fact is- Many disagee with you.

You can decide that you are getitng 'bashed' -*or* accept that your arguments are not as valid as you once thought.

Myself, I always say "This is my way. If you have a better way, then demonstrate them to me, and if your way is better, we will adapt your way."

I am not scared of being wrong, as long as I learn from it.