Bigfoot 870
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375 H&H vs 375 Ruger vs 9,3x62
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One the whole, 338 bullets are too tough for proper expansion at longer (250yds +) ranges from the 338 WIN MAG.
Hmmm...I'd have to disagree, the elk I took this year was at 300 yards...old school 225g Hornady Interlock bullet going 2850 fps from my .338 WM, the bullet performed very well and the elk is in the freezer.
I also own a .375 H&H...why?...because it's 2015...lol! It's the one I'd go with out of your 3 original choices.
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Post #12.....tsk, tsk. Someone is getting slow on the draw
Same BS... different thread..
Ardent
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Sorry we must not be reading the same data
Nips at the heels? The .375 H&H is moving both 250 and 265gr bullets at a whiff shy of 3,000fps in that data- that's .270 Winchester trajectory territory. The 9.3 is moving a 270 at 2630fps for 4,145ft-lbs max in the same warmer data you provided there, and the .375 H&H is moving a 265gr at 2,986fps for 5,248ft-lbs in comparison. That's a 356fps deficit for the 9.3x62 in speed, and 1,100ft-lbs of energy short. That's the spitting image of the difference between a .308 Winchester and a .300 Win Mag, and probably the best analogy we'll find in comparing the two cartridges. Both shoot similar bullet weights, one fits in smaller, lighter rifles, less recoil, burns less powder and kills anything the bigger one will. It will however not offer anything close to the trajectory and range of it's bigger competitor.
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Well put. With the three calibre choices for discussion, I opted to deviate a little and go all three. 9.3x62(
.366 Wagner), 375 H&H and
, 375 Chatfield Taylor.
I was going to say the same thing, but I see I'm late getting here.
dgradinaru
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Sorry we must not be reading the same data
I understand that the h&h will be faster but what I was getting too was the 286gr vs 300 gr class. I see it more like 308 win vs the 06, about 100-150 fps difference.
I think the comparison of the 308 WIN vs the 300 WIN MAG being analogous to the 9,3x62 vs the 375 (H&H and Ruger) is pretty reasonable and something most of us have experience with. On that note, the 308 WIN will kill anything the 300 WIN MAG will, you just have to get lots closer. Although at short range the 300 WIN MAG does produce some dramatic wounding you'll not see with the 308 WIN at any range.
As per most cartridge arguments where the cartridges are in the same class, effectiveness on game is a function of bullets more than anything else. Heck if I'd pick one thing I think most hunters should pay more attention to, I'd tell them to match the bullet to the game they're after. None of this generic 150grn for deer, 180grn for anything bigger (30-06 example) as there are some substantial variations of the bullet designs within every weight class.
As per most cartridge arguments where the cartridges are in the same class, effectiveness on game is a function of bullets more than anything else. Heck if I'd pick one thing I think most hunters should pay more attention to, I'd tell them to match the bullet to the game they're after. None of this generic 150grn for deer, 180grn for anything bigger (30-06 example) as there are some substantial variations of the bullet designs within every weight class.
I would say match the bullet for the speed at which it arrives at the intended target. A C&C sucks at blistering speeds on big game, and a TSX isn't so great at low velocity. Pick your bullet weight and construction according to what it's supposed to do at the speed it's hitting the animal!!
Another reason I like partitions and Accubonds, they work well at distance, but still work when you have that 25 yard shot from your belted overbore WMNMWSMRUMRCMWSSMLOUDENBOOMER Zipper!
Another reason I like partitions and Accubonds, they work well at distance, but still work when you have that 25 yard shot from your belted overbore WMNMWSMRUMRCMWSSMLOUDENBOOMER Zipper!
Ardent
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9.3x62 2,464fps for 3,855ft-lbs with Barnes 286gr banded solid
.375 H&H 2,985fps for 5,334ft-lbs with Barnes 270gr banded solid
The difference could be fairly argued to be bigger than .308 / .300 Win Mag I suspect. No point in opting for the 300gr .375 in this comprison, just as fair to throw 16grs for the .375 than 14 against it- and not like there's a difference in how either solid acts. It is a popular notion the 9.3x62 is "almost" a .375 H&H or is somehow nipping at the heels of it, the straight truth is the gap between the two is very large. It's not fair to compare a standard cartridge on a case similar to the .30-06's to a large magnum, they're simply not in the same class, at all.
Both are extremely effective, and the 9.3x62 has virtues the .375 Mags don't- lighter guns, lighter recoil, lighter powder charges, and one more in the mag. Those are fantastic attributes, but to try and compete with .375 magnums on ballistics isn't its domain and it will always come up short, and a great deal short at that. You just can't make even close to equivalent power with a slightly smaller bore (pressure isn't as efficient at moving the bullet), and a smaller case. The 9.3x62 will look a lot better if people stop trying to say it's almost a .375 H&H and start comparing it to its true competitors- .35 Whelen, 220gr .30-06, etc.
Those true competitors also give the .375 Mags a fair shake on game at typical ranges (inside 100 yards), but not balliistically, and you are handicapping yourself on range with a 9.3x62 as well. Great cartridge, it's just not a magnum- not all jobs call for a magnum by any means either.
I've shot many moose and black bear with the 338WM, 35Whelen,375H&H and 9.3x66 (a +P 9.3x62). All have ample power to kill at any reasonable hunting range. Some range better than others , the 338 is basically a 30-06 with 25% more power that is rarely needed. The 35Whelen is a real sleeper in this crowd does what all the others can do but doesn't range as well , top loads are 24" low at 400 yards. 375 H&H's are usually housed in a heavy rifle.......the Ruger designed to fit cheap actions and just more of the same. The 9.3 with a 250gr AccuBond is probably the best all round for trajectory,recoil and on target energy. Can normally run a 286gr bullet at 2500+fps and a 250gr at near 2700fps, a ton of energy and a big bullet at 400 yards does the job with out kicking the snot out of you.
Might want to use a solid bullet like the Barnes or the bullets will just spin apart unless you use a real slow twist. And I wonder how long a barrel you'd need to maximize the velocity?
Maybe rename it the "Varmint Evaporator"!
Maybe rename it the "Varmint Evaporator"!
Post #12.....tsk, tsk. Someone is getting slow on the draw
I know, I know
But it's November and I'm often out hunting.
Ardent
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I know, I know
But it's November and I'm often out hunting.
Doing better than us.
Getting back on topic, it seems like the consensus is all three of these cartridges share the same niche, but the added velocity of the 375s gives them a bit more reach. But mostly it just comes down to what rifle you feel like using. Want something lighter and handy that won't kick too terrible, best to use the 9,3x62 (plus the added bonus of increased magazine capacity due to its smaller case diameter). Want something with a bit more power and range, 375 H&H and 375 Ruger are pretty equal. The 375 Ruger is available in usually cheaper (and sometimes just plain cheap) rifles that are typically lighter and a bit shorter, but ammo and brass can sometimes be harder to find. The 375 H&H is the old standby with the best availability and there are plenty of quality rifles around chambered in it. It may be a bit heavier and longer than the other two, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing as more weight reduces the recoil.
Personally I love the looks of a classic CRF blued steel and wood stocked old rifle in either 9,3x62 or 375 H&H. The 375 Ruger just seems to more fit into the hard-use syn-stainless rifle category, but there are some beautiful exceptions to this as well.
I need a bigger safe haha!
Personally I love the looks of a classic CRF blued steel and wood stocked old rifle in either 9,3x62 or 375 H&H. The 375 Ruger just seems to more fit into the hard-use syn-stainless rifle category, but there are some beautiful exceptions to this as well.
I need a bigger safe haha!
