.375 Ruger....

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I don't know why these guys are saying you need a 649 win. I know lots of guys who have gone who have very average incomes. Just toss $100 away every payday and in 3 or 4 years you can go to Africa.

As to cost. A budget South Africa hunt can be done all in for 8-10k (flights, day rate, trophy fees for a few animals, tip). A more upscale plains game hunt with more animals can be done easily for 15k. Cape buffalo (cheapest dangerous game) can be done on a budget for 15-20k. All these prices include flights and everything else. Obviously more exotic animals or exotic locations go up from there.

People spend that much on a quad, or twice that on a travel trailer, or 4 times that on a truck they use to haul groceries. It really is not something exclusive to the rich.

Great !
First one on the thread to make the jump from computer screen to African savannah can post pics.
Can't wait to see em.
 
Nothing against the cartridge itself but most of what I have leans towards the older tried & true cartridges of days past. With that in mind, I'd likely opt for the 375 H&H. The other reason I shy away from the 357 Ruger is because of the 'definations' of:rolleyes: Royalty placed on it by one of the main proponents of it.

Sako Hunter 375 H&H/Savage Alaskan Brush Hunter 375 Ruger - love em both !
 
Sako Hunter 375 H&H/Savage Alaskan Brush Hunter 375 Ruger - love em both !

I've had a couple of rifles in 375 H&H and although I've never had anything chambered for the 375 Ruger cartridge, it appears from many reports, to be a very decent cartridge. The cartridge itself was never the bone of contention for me or for my decission to go with an H&H in my recent purchase.
 
Thanks. Punch a bit of paper with them and;) 'clear the cobwebs' every once in a while.

Same here. One trip I did have at the top of the heep is a hunt for Moose in Alaska with a handgun. 500 S&W. Made some inquiries and:) it's something I may have to get serious on.

You have been talking about that for years. You should stop buying guns you are hardly going to use, sell off some of the ones you have and finance that trip. Alaska allows non residents to hunt moose non guided so you can reduce cost further if you have a couple of friends that want to go. There are several services that set up drop camps and facilitate plane rides for non residents, for a reasonable fee.
 
Hey both loadings are a great cartridge. The new Ruger is just a shorter barrel with the same ballistics as the tried and true old timer. I think there is something to say for a short barrel fast handling rifle when the SHIF. I would have one in my collection if I did not already have the old fashion one in a CZ/
 
You have been talking about that for years. You should stop buying guns you are hardly going to use, sell off some of the ones you have and finance that trip. Alaska allows non residents to hunt moose non guided so you can reduce cost further if you have a couple of friends that want to go. There are several services that set up drop camps and facilitate plane rides for non residents, for a reasonable fee.

Gatehouse, that is only for non-residents of the other US states. All foreign hunters must be guided, even for Sitka blacktail.

We used to go to Hoonah to hunt for them. It was great fun and delicious venison, but have not been able to do that for almost 25 years.
Ted
 
Gatehouse, that is only for non-residents of the other US states. All foreign hunters must be guided, even for Sitka blacktail.

We used to go to Hoonah to hunt for them. It was great fun and delicious venison, but have not been able to do that for almost 25 years.
Ted

Over the past couple of years, I've been in contact with a couple of guide/outfitters from the area on the topic of a Moose hunt there with a handgun. If I'd never hunted Moose, the degree of urgency would be a lot higher. For the numbers, I've shot more Moose than I have of any other big game animals. As such, a Moose hunt with a handgun is more of a novelty than a 'need' considering my involvement with handguns over the years. So, it boils down to, do I want to outlay that kind of cash to satisfy a 'novelty', considering the fixed income level of the present? ;)A favourable outcome on tonights Lotto 649 would help make that decission:).
 
Didn't know that Ted , guess I must have just read that off a USA forum at one point. My message is still the same though. Most of us have enough "stuff" and keep lusting for more, when really we should be concentrating on DOING stuff. What good is a room full if rifles if they don't create experiences for you.

I certainly don't have to explain that to you, though. :)
 
Gatehouse, that is only for non-residents of the other US states. All foreign hunters must be guided, even for Sitka blacktail.

We used to go to Hoonah to hunt for them. It was great fun and delicious venison, but have not been able to do that for almost 25 years.
Ted

Ted is right the alien can t do it.

i find it a funny that an urban guy from any big cities can go there without guide and us cant do it but in the same time they can t go on their own here so wont complaint that much ...i
 
Used mine for the first time yesterday on a black bear hunt; caliber is great but the ammo I used didn't impress me one bit. Hornady 270gr SP-RP bullets - they shoot ridiculously accurate from the bench in my Howa 1500 but I had what I would consider a total bullet failure for "dangerous game" factory ammo with pictures of elephants, cape buffalo, and rhino on the box.

Broadside shoulder shot on a ~300lb'er from 125 meters, dropped as fast as gravity would take it down. No blood on the ground, no exit - luckily no tracking was needed. Skinning it out there was a 3-4" entrance wound (something like I would have expected to see on the exit maybe...), everything inside shredded including the majority of the front quarters totally messed up. I think they should paint a red tip on these and call them the 270gr V-Max.

Have some 300gr Norma Oryx bullets I will be reloading in the future to hunt with.
 
Used mine for the first time yesterday on a black bear hunt; caliber is great but the ammo I used didn't impress me one bit. Hornady 270gr SP-RP bullets - they shoot ridiculously accurate from the bench in my Howa 1500 but I had what I would consider a total bullet failure for "dangerous game" factory ammo with pictures of elephants, cape buffalo, and rhino on the box.

Broadside shoulder shot on a ~300lb'er from 125 meters, dropped as fast as gravity would take it down. No blood on the ground, no exit - luckily no tracking was needed. Skinning it out there was a 3-4" entrance wound (something like I would have expected to see on the exit maybe...), everything inside shredded including the majority of the front quarters totally messed up. I think they should paint a red tip on these and call them the 270gr V-Max.

Have some 300gr Norma Oryx bullets I will be reloading in the future to hunt with.

We're you able to recover the bullet?
 
We're you able to recover the bullet?

I didn't go digging for the bullet (or what would be left of it) - usually use the gutless method on bear - got it around 45 min before legal light ended so tried to work quick to get all the meat off to minimize how much time I have to work by lantern/flashlight. In hindsight I probably should have due to how unexpected this was (I really expected a full pass through, like I always get with my 308 and cup and core bullets... not like this was a record black bear or anything), but using my Havalon knife in the dark kind of worries me with how slippery bear are.. this one seemed to have more fat in the spring than the fall bear I have seen so far in my hunting career. Probably would have been a lot bigger in the fall.

The bullet didn't hit any bone on the way in before the entrance hole that was in the shoulder muscle though - hit about 2/3 the way up its body height, right around the shoulder bone area (maybe a few inches back). Basically had the hide plus somewhere between 3-4" of fat to expand and make the massive entrance hole in the shoulder muscle.

Maybe this is to be expected, maybe not - doing some googling I have seen people complaining these bullets have exploded on plains game in Africa too. Like I said though just seems odd that it would be in the "dangerous game" series with this type of performance at 125 meters.

Maybe I have just finally found one of the AR500 armour plated black bear that people talk about needing African rifles for on CGN though. Unfortunately I won't be able to settle the large caliber vs hydrostatic shock debate in the Hunting section for D.R.T. shots right now, as in this case with no exit I think I had a lot of both...
 
Maybe give Speer Grand Slams a go. They are well proven & dependable as long as you don't try getting
maximum velocity out of your loads. (Which most folks nowadays seem to want & is un-needed.):)

For the price of the Speer Grand Slam these days, I would spend my money on a real premium bullet like the TSX, Accubond or Partition for the same price.
 
For the price of the Speer Grand Slam these days, I would spend my money on a real premium bullet like the TSX, Accubond or Partition for the same price.

So I take it, that you're not into shootin' cast boolits? Might wanna explore the possibilities. Lead is THE premium boolit when used by folks that know. Screw the hype...shoot what's right.;)
 
So I take it, that you're not into shootin' cast boolits? Might wanna explore the possibilities. Lead is THE premium boolit when used by folks that know. Screw the hype...shoot what's right.;)

The 285gr Speer Grand Slam (which is only a thick jacket cup and core these days) goes for $66 a box of 50. I paid less for 250gr TTSX! Don't get me wrong, I like the GS but I'm not going to pay more than a TTSX for a cup-core bullet.
 
Used mine for the first time yesterday on a black bear hunt; caliber is great but the ammo I used didn't impress me one bit. Hornady 270gr SP-RP bullets - they shoot ridiculously accurate from the bench in my Howa 1500 but I had what I would consider a total bullet failure for "dangerous game" factory ammo with pictures of elephants, cape buffalo, and rhino on the box.

Broadside shoulder shot on a ~300lb'er from 125 meters, dropped as fast as gravity would take it down. No blood on the ground, no exit - luckily no tracking was needed. Skinning it out there was a 3-4" entrance wound (something like I would have expected to see on the exit maybe...), everything inside shredded including the majority of the front quarters totally messed up. I think they should paint a red tip on these and call them the 270gr V-Max.

Have some 300gr Norma Oryx bullets I will be reloading in the future to hunt with.

Pretty much the exact same story from me. Except I recovered the bullet under the skin on the far side. Smashed flat as a pancake, total failure....
 
I was with mnr when he nailed the bear . The entrance looked like the bear had been hit with a frangible/varmint bullet . I was 90 degrees to the direction of fire , 400 yards away and watched/heard mnr take the shot and watched and heard the impact through my binocs . With this ammo being marketed as "Dangerous Game" , my thought is that the only danger could be to the hunter who is actually hunting 'dangerous game '. Possibly we should have done a full autopsy to recover the bullet but it was dark , we were tired and we had many miles ahead of us to get home .
 
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