4 moose shot

Along the same topic. I have to give praise to our Manitoba Premier for recently addressing the dangerous act of night hunting by indigenous people. He has taken a lot of flack for bringing up this topic. He has only said so in the interest of safety for ALL people. This has really gotten under the skin of the indigenous community. They say that the government is meddling in their business. The Chiefs had thought of dealing with this problem on their own terms. However, now that the government is involved, they want nothing to do with it. REALLY? Hahahahaha!
Hats off to Palister. Stir em up!
 
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AlbertaJohn said:
If they shot one moose then yes they are hunters.Even two moose and they would be hunters.But four moose..

They just crossed the line and are now poachers. No one needs four moose at one time.
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I agree no one needs that much but they are allowed to take as MANY as they want....there is NO limit in the Treaties as to the amount.
 
hawk-i said:
You're wrong, these people are HUNTERS...they are constitutionally guaranteed "subsistence" HUNTERS.
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I guess hunting means different things to different people............because in my mind, these specific individuals did not hunt these animals, they killed them....No where in the story did I read they "hunted" the animals.....
 
AlbertaJohn said:
If they shot one moose then yes they are hunters.Even two moose and they would be hunters.But four moose..

They just crossed the line and are now poachers. No one needs four moose at one time.
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You're assuming they plan to eat them, rather than sell them.

jkc said:
Along the same topic. I have to give praise to our Manitoba Premier for recently addressing the dangerous act of night hunting by indigenous people. He has taken a lot of flack for bringing up this topic. He has only said so in the interest of safety for ALL people. This has really gotten under the skin of the indigenous community. They say that the government is meddling in their business. The Chiefs had thought of dealing with this problem on their own terms. However, now that the government is involved, they want nothing to do with it. REALLY? Hahahahaha!
Hats off to Selinger. Stir em up!
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Whoa!!! Major faux pas! :)

It's Pallister.
 
hawk-i said:
I agree no one needs that much but they are allowed to take as MANY as they want....there is NO limit in the Treaties as to the amount.
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But they are not allowed to trespass without permission to shoot any moose.

Trespassing could be virtually eliminated if the authorities wanted to do it. Leave the punishment for a first offense a healthy fine, for the second offense forfeit the vehicle, firearms, and all hunting gear, and for a third offense, six months in jail. If the person continues to trespass, double the jail sentence for every subsequent offense.
 
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Subsistence hunting is the taking of game for the purpose of providing food, or money if sold....there is no legal requirement for Treaty Indians to hunt only during day light hours, during hunting seasons, to regulate limits, to be limited by mode of transportation, to choice of instrument employed in the taking of game or age or gender of the species taken, or even the species taken.

The one sure rule about treaty subsistence hunting is there are pretty much NO rules....treaty subsistence hunters can and do go about their guaranteed birth rights in respect to hunting with impunity to the laws non treaty citizens have to follow AND the Supreme Court of Canada backs them up in respect to those treaty birth rights.

Not saying its right, its just the way things are!
 
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stubblejumper said:
But they are not allowed to trespass without permission to shoot any moose.

Trespassing could be virtually eliminated if the authorities wanted to do it. Leave the punishment for a first offense a healthy fine, for the second offense forfeit the vehicle, firearms, and all hunting gear, and for a third offense, six months in jail. If the person continues to trespass, double the jail sentence for every subsequent offense.
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Not much attention is paid to cases involving property rights within the Canadian legal system as we don't actually have any private property rights under the charter.
 
hawk-i said:
Subsistence hunting is the taking of game for the purpose of providing food, or money if sold....there is no legal requirement for Treaty Indians to hunt only during day light hours, during hunting seasons, to regulate limits, to be limited by mode of transportation, to choice of instrument employed in the taking of game or age or gender of the species taken, or even the species taken.

The one sure rule about treaty subsistence hunting is there are pretty much NO rules....treaty subsistence hunters can and do go about there guaranteed birth rights in respect to hunting with impunity to the laws non treaty citizens have to follow AND the Supreme Court of Canada backs them up in respect to those treaty birth rights.

Not saying its right, its just the way things are!
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Wrong. They can't legally sell the meat.
 
hawk-i said:
Subsistence hunting is the taking of game for the purpose of providing food, or money if sold....there is no legal requirement for Treaty Indians to hunt only during day light hours, during hunting seasons, to regulate limits, to be limited by mode of transportation, to choice of instrument employed in the taking of game or age or gender of the species taken, or even the species taken.

The one sure rule about treaty subsistence hunting is there are pretty much NO rules....treaty subsistence hunters can and do go about their guaranteed birth rights in respect to hunting with impunity to the laws non treaty citizens have to follow AND the Supreme Court of Canada backs them up in respect to those treaty birth rights.

Not saying its right, its just the way things are!
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Treaty subsistence hunters can't sell game meat, there have been several instances where they have been prosecuted for doing so in Alberta. As a result of a sting operation, some Treaty subsistence hunters that were trafficking the moose meat received prison sentences .
 
hawk-i said:
Yes they can...it is illegal for a non treaty citizen to buy the meat but it is not illegal for the treaty Indian to sell it.
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It most certainly is illegal for treaty natives to traffic in wildlife in Alberta. One individual received a two year sentence as a result of Operation Tamarack, after he bragged to an undercover officer that he shot and sold over 50 moose by himself.
 
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stubblejumper said:
It most certainly is illegal for treaty natives to traffic in wildlife in Alberta. One individual received a two year sentence as a result of Operation Tammarack, after he bragged to an undercover officer that he shot and sold over 50 moose by himself.
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Wait 'til or if it gets taken to the SCofC, and see how that stands up.
 
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