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I would like to apologize for ranting about racism. It's just a sore subject when you deal with it all your life and see a whole bunch of posts about first nations. I for one don't live on the reserve. I pay taxes like everyone else and actually contribute to society. So I get riled when all natives get generalized together. The problem with native life that nobody ever sees, is that when we actually do step up and try to make a difference, it gets buried. It's not important enough to make headlines. But yet somehow a little girl losing her dog is Millet is prime time news that it makes it on Global, CFRN and CBC. Five non-natives got caught poaching on my reserve but it didn't make the news. That's the way it goes. Even if their tribe was to punish them you won't hear about it. My reserve is the same way. We have done so much positive that no one will ever hear about it. But as soon as one crime is committed, it's front page news. Many times my tribal council has laid charges on a person and nothing gets done because the police won't enforce it. The whole problem with the scenario at hand is that the police didn't take the matter further, other than ticketing for an unlicensed firearm. It was even worse when they let them leave with the animals. The biggest mistake is that the land owner didn't lay charges. It's a crappy scenario that has happened far too many times. People just need to see the criminals for themselves. Not that they are natives. I'm just sick of seeing open racism towards first nations in Canada and no one bats an eye. But you say one thing about a black person and all of North America is on your *ss. The double standards are BS. All racism needs to end. The treaties are there, they aren't going anywhere. So complaining about the "Privileges", not Rights (I agree that they are privileges), isn't going to change anything. The crimes need to speak for themselves. Not the race of the criminal.

No need to apologize...... it's a heated topic from both sides......

And don't get me wrong, I am well aware there are plenty of non native poachers and they are scum of the earth in my books.....

Until we work together to ensure sustainable harvest and native bands start self governing like they are supposed to, I don't ever think the two sides will ever see eye to eye on this issue.....

While I certainly don't agree with what these guys did, what ticks me off the most about it is that their band does nothing to stop it or make it illegal.....

I do have to disagree in regards to non native poachers not making the news though......
 
I would like to apologize for ranting about racism. It's just a sore subject when you deal with it all your life and see a whole bunch of posts about first nations. I for one don't live on the reserve. I pay taxes like everyone else and actually contribute to society. So I get riled when all natives get generalized together. The problem with native life that nobody ever sees, is that when we actually do step up and try to make a difference, it gets buried. It's not important enough to make headlines. But yet somehow a little girl losing her dog is Millet is prime time news that it makes it on Global, CFRN and CBC. Five non-natives got caught poaching on my reserve but it didn't make the news. That's the way it goes. Even if their tribe was to punish them you won't hear about it. My reserve is the same way. We have done so much positive that no one will ever hear about it. But as soon as one crime is committed, it's front page news. Many times my tribal council has laid charges on a person and nothing gets done because the police won't enforce it. The whole problem with the scenario at hand is that the police didn't take the matter further, other than ticketing for an unlicensed firearm. It was even worse when they let them leave with the animals. The biggest mistake is that the land owner didn't lay charges. It's a crappy scenario that has happened far too many times. People just need to see the criminals for themselves. Not that they are natives. I'm just sick of seeing open racism towards first nations in Canada and no one bats an eye. But you say one thing about a black person and all of North America is on your *ss. The double standards are BS. All racism needs to end. The treaties are there, they aren't going anywhere. So complaining about the "Privileges", not Rights (I agree that they are privileges), isn't going to change anything. The crimes need to speak for themselves. Not the race of the criminal.

But they're not crimes. In order for it to become a crime, the treaties need to be revisited. Change has to come from within the native community. Step one is to stop blaming everyone else for their woes.
 
And I can tell you as someone who has those rights I find this kind of thing absolutely disgusting! There is no room for this kind of harvest in today's world and given our social system and handouts there is very little need for subsistence hunting except in dire circumstances. I have never exercised my rights to harvest as I have always worked, paid taxes and bought licenses to hunt within the framework of todays management system. In my opinion it is an emergency backup system should I find myself penniless and unable to buy food and even then we have backup social systems in place so I cannot see ever requiring my harvest rights. I also do not trespass or tread where I am not allowed to hunt. And as a matter of fact I rarely even admit to having harvest rights as I do not want to be associated with these kinds of people who in my opinion are nothing more than disgusting slob poachers!!

Respect!

You sir are a class act... even though in some other posts you haven't always came across as one, lol.
 
But they're not crimes. In order for it to become a crime, the treaties need to be revisited. Change has to come from within the native community. Step one is to stop blaming everyone else for their woes.

Yes, or the bands need to self govern and create their own laws......... the free for all will hurt all of us.....
 
The reason why this is such a heated debate is due to the fact that eventually, non indigenous people will not get any tags at all. When that happens, the MNR will loose a huge amount of funding and you know what happens then. I would be curious to see how much money the non indigenous moose hunters in Ontario generates for both the government and private sector. So basically, everybody is going to hurt.

Face it everybody - eventually there will be no moose hunting for anybody.
 
wheres my treaty card ?

OH yea I Cant have one.... cause of my lack of race


join my ignore list, have a nice day

I'm 3/16 Metis and Cree.....and I can get a Metis card if I want....(I have cousins with blond hair that have done so). I have nephews who are 3/32 Metis/Cree and they DO have their Metis card (for preferential treatment at university).

How does that make any sense??? The Metis Lobby in Canada, wants as many members as possible so they can rep a larger group in Ottawa, and get more freebies and "rights".

There has to be a better solution for the long term.
 
I'm 3/16 Metis and Cree.....and I can get a Metis card if I want....(I have cousins with blond hair that have done so). I have nephews who are 3/32 Metis/Cree and they DO have their Metis card (for preferential treatment at university).

How does that make any sense??? The Metis Lobby in Canada, wants as many members as possible so they can rep a larger group in Ottawa, and get more freebies and "rights".

There has to be a better solution for the long term.

How do you determine the % of aboriginal blood to know you are 1/16 or 9/16?! The government can't even come up with an agreed upon blood quantum. For Metis, which is what I am you only need to show proof of aboriginal ancestry, self identify as Metis and be accepted by a Metis community/organization. There is NO MEASURABLE blood quantum. My family tree showed someone married a MiqMaq native by the name of Rousseau in 1720. My fathers cousin who was a member of parliament in New Brunswick was able to get church records and thats all it took to show enough proof. It made me 11th generation so how much is that? 1/125th? It's even provable through DNA testing there is no such thing as 100% aboriginal!!
 
How do you determine the % of aboriginal blood to know you are 1/16 or 9/16?! The government can't even come up with an agreed upon blood quantum. For Metis, which is what I am you only need to show proof of aboriginal ancestry, self identify as Metis and be accepted by a Metis community/organization. There is NO MEASURABLE blood quantum. My family tree showed someone married a MiqMaq native by the name of Rousseau in 1720. My fathers cousin who was a member of parliament in New Brunswick was able to get church records and thats all it took to show enough proof. It made me 11th generation so how much is that? 1/125th? It's even provable through DNA testing there is no such thing as 100% aboriginal!!


You provide documents (baptism certs, photos etc) of your heritage.....since I have relatives that have already done so, I would just use their documenetation. I have photos of my maternal ancestors in N Alberta (Kinuso and Faust) in front of a teepee. NO DNA required, athough I have already done so for other purposes.

My paternal grandparents were Italian (50%), my maternal Grandfather's mother was Cree (1/16) and my maternal grandmother was Metis (2/16), that makes me 100% CANADIAN
 
we do thing a little differently in Sk as far as night hunting goes...oddly enough, from the CBC...

Code:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/spotlighting-night-hunting-manitoba-saskatchewan-1.3956974

Here they would(should) be charged with unsafe discharge, or so the story goes.
 
How do you determine the % of aboriginal blood to know you are 1/16 or 9/16?! The government can't even come up with an agreed upon blood quantum. For Metis, which is what I am you only need to show proof of aboriginal ancestry, self identify as Metis and be accepted by a Metis community/organization. There is NO MEASURABLE blood quantum. My family tree showed someone married a MiqMaq native by the name of Rousseau in 1720. My fathers cousin who was a member of parliament in New Brunswick was able to get church records and thats all it took to show enough proof. It made me 11th generation so how much is that? 1/125th? It's even provable through DNA testing there is no such thing as 100% aboriginal!!


You provide documents (baptism certs, photos etc) of your heritage.....since I have relatives that have already done so, I would just use their documenetation. I have photos of my maternal ancestors in N Alberta (Kinuso and Faust) in front of a teepee. NO DNA required, athough I have already done so for other purposes.

My paternal grandparents were Italian (50%), my maternal Grandfather's mother was Cree (1/16) and my maternal grandmother was Metis (2/16), that makes me 100% CANADIAN


I have all that too but I am trying to point out just how can you determine your percentage to be able to say for example I am 1/3 Cree short of DNA testing and I would even call that into question somewhat? But it boils down to the government couldn't make a determination through blood quantum so they use proof of ancestry and a few other weird measures. Doesn't matter to me any longer as I never renewed my card when it was due. I decided long ago I did not want to be identified as anything but Canadian. 100% born and raised!
 
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I don't understand that farmer's and others outcry.
He should be happy that gubermint so far didn't set open season to hunt whities....
He should thank God that they were after the moose only....
 
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I have all that too but I am trying to point out just how can you determine your percentage to be able to say for example I am 1/3 Cree short of DNA testing and I would even call that into question somewhat? But it boils down to the government couldn't make a determination through blood quantum so they use proof of ancestry and a few other weird measures. Doesn't matter to me any longer as I never renewed my card when it was due. I decided long ago I did not want to be identified as anything but Canadian. 100% born and raised!

It's already been done for me, by previous cousins, who have their cards. I don't think the burden of proof is that great and apparently my relatives have traced my ancestry back far enough to establish my "heritage." I'm of the same mind as you though: I'm 100% Canadian and don't require any special rights.
 
There is lots of FN hunters that chose not to hunt after the fall season my salf include and don't hunt females
I definitely don't think anyone has right to hunt or shoot moose on privet property without permission
i was contemplating going for a winter hunt for goat in northern BC but that is difrent its still open for Regular season
Deer is still open on Haida Gwaii but not many locals will hunt this time of year
Don't put the blame of individual on a inter race all you will just piss every one off and go no wear and look like a nother nut ball
 
It seems to me that some people on this thread are forgetting that the treaties were signed in good faith by *both* sides. If it's legal by treaty, it's legal. We can point out that it's unwise and short-sighted, but it's legal. (I do like the above link to how Saskatchewan handled it.)

The only reason we non-aboriginal folks have any moral right to this land is from those treaties. We can't just ignore the parts we don't like.
 
Unless aboriginal hunters are subject to regulation (sooner rather than later), the large ungulate populations( moose and elk) in this country are in serious trouble.

Here in manitoba the Metis and Aboriginal hunters are squaring off to see who can hunt where. Once the rout is over and all the large ungulates are exterminated, I cnt but wonder in what direction the finger will be pointed...
 
It seems to me that some people on this thread are forgetting that the treaties were signed in good faith by *both* sides. If it's legal by treaty, it's legal. We can point out that it's unwise and short-sighted, but it's legal. (I do like the above link to how Saskatchewan handled it.)

The only reason we non-aboriginal folks have any moral right to this land is from those treaties. We can't just ignore the parts we don't like.

So I suppose the treaty trumps the sound harvest and management of a game animal... I say we ignore that part of the treaty!!!!!! Short sighted is correct! Ridiculous reasoning as well!
 
So I suppose the treaty trumps the sound harvest and management of a game animal... I say we ignore that part of the treaty!!!!!! Short sighted is correct! Ridiculous reasoning as well!

No, the only way to fix this problem is to open the season to all others the same as the treaties allow the Indians....when game numbers plummet to near zero numbers, then something will have to be done and the Indians will be on board to make changes. Until then the treaties will get the vast majority of game animals and the other people will be doing the conservation.
 
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