4 moose shot

carverk said:
In BC with out treadys it is vary likely all wild life management will dun by FN
One day many in BC may be asking the local FN bans for permission to hunt on there privet land then who will be the pouches
Better start working with FN and not against us or one day it's going to bite you in the ass is better to get along with your Neighbors
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You aren't very bright.................. Get along with your neighbors? The #######s that shot the four moose ignored their neighbor after they weren't granted access to hunt his property and trespassed the on it next day. We've tried to get along, pay for everything, be politically correct etc. but we keep getting #### on.
 
carverk said:
No but the crown will have to surrender Unoccupied Land and pay compensation this is the pice of no tready
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So it's a win-win situation then? Where treaties were signed, you're claiming the land and where there aren't any, you're also claiming it.

There's a lot written in the treaties, some of it not at all beneficial to First Nations. Must be nice to pick out the raisins all the time.
 
I found this interesting, picked it out of another current thread.

"Last October, Ontario’s environmental commissioner Dianne Saxe warned of the need for action, citing an alarming 20 per cent drop in the moose population across the province over the past decade — a number that has hit 50 per cent in Thunder Bay, and even 60 per cent in Cochrane. She blamed a loss of roadless areas, disease, parasites and hunting as well as climate change"

The provincial average 20% (in a decade) drop seems strangely coincidental as a numerical value roughly equal to average population growth of Canada (in a decade).

Interesting other info in that thread.
 
bearkilr said:
So it's a win-win situation then? Where treaties were signed, you're claiming the land and where there aren't any, you're also claiming it.

There's a lot written in the treaties, some of it not at all beneficial to First Nations. Must be nice to pick out the raisins all the time.
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90 % of BC is no treaty as a result BC FN is in cort with crown over who actually owns the land and a supreme court judges will have to make the decisions and it looks good for us FN
the rest of the Country wear treadys wear signed the land is shared and managed by the Crown this is not that way in most of BC
 
sharp shooter said:
You aren't very bright.................. Get along with your neighbors? The #######s that shot the four moose ignored their neighbor after they weren't granted access to hunt his property and trespassed the on it next day. We've tried to get along, pay for everything, be politically correct etc. but we keep getting #### on.
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Apparently neither Are you my friend
 
carverk said:
With out a tready there is a question of who legally owns all the crown land in BC and FN have a vary strong legal case
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You said private land earlier, not crown.

FN have a claim on every square inch of the land in canada too, not sure when or how this is planned to be enforced but there is going to be a lot of angry people if you try and take what people have owned for generations.
 
hawk-i said:
This is true, if you apply to purchase Crown land in BC, approval of the sale must be granted by First Nations to complete the deal. So as it stands now you could say ALL Crown Land is owned by the FN people.
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Up until a few years ago, applications sat for years without approval, now applications for sale are processed quickly in BC, something has changed
 
I either worded thing wrong or your not getting it with title there will be compensation for land sold by the Crown not a take over
What is now crown land will become privet land in BC so it in everyone's best interest to start getting along with FN friend or foe the law is the law
I don't condone trespassing on privet land with out permission will be interesting to see how CGN reacts to us Indians having legal title on are own land and how many of you will ask permission Ore just become Poachers yourselfs
 
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Brian46 said:
You said private land earlier, not crown.

FN have a claim on every square inch of the land in canada too, not sure when or how this is planned to be enforced but there is going to be a lot of angry people if you try and take what people have owned for generations.
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Kind of how us Indians feel
We're talking about private land that was owned for over 15,000 years pass down from One generation to the next
I'm still not condoning trespassing just food for thought
The farmer because of tready the farmer owns his land but in BC it's not so cut and dry with out treaty it will be the courts decision on wether the crown had any legal clame to the land to begin with
 
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carverk said:
I either worded thing wrong or your not getting it with title there will be compensation for land sold by the Crown not a take over
What is now crown land will become privet land in BC so it in everyone's best interest to start getting along with FN friend or foe the law is the law
I don't condone trespassing on privet land with out permission will be interesting to see how CGN reacts to us Indians having legal title on are own land and how many of you will ask permission Ore just become Poachers yourselfs
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I very often enjoy your posts, but I think on this issue you are either trolling or fantasizing. I have a Crown Land Tenure and have had negotiators from both sides sit at my kitchen table and have seen exactly what is on the table.
 
This is from the relevant treaty. It sure doesn't seem to me that native hunting rights are absolute, permanent, unchangeable or can't be regulated. Settlement, mining and lumber cover just about everything and "other purposes" takes care of the rest. Conservation would fit under "other."


Her Majesty further agrees with Her said Indians that they, the said Indians, shall have right to pursue their avocations of hunting and fishing throughout the tract surrendered as hereinbefore described, subject to such regulations as may from time to time be made by Her Government of Her Dominion of Canada, and saving and excepting such tracts as may from time to time be required or taken up for settlement, mining, lumbering or other purposes by Her said Government of the Dominion of Canada, or by any of the subjects thereof duly authorized therefor by the said Government.
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carverk said:
I either worded thing wrong or your not getting it with title there will be compensation for land sold by the Crown not a take over
What is now crown land will become privet land in BC so it in everyone's best interest to start getting along with FN friend or foe the law is the law
I don't condone trespassing on privet land with out permission will be interesting to see how CGN reacts to us Indians having legal title on are own land and how many of you will ask permission Ore just become Poachers yourselfs
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Why wouldn't I just buy crown land for myself as I have been doing and hunt on that?
 
Dogleg said:
This is from the relevant treaty. It sure doesn't seem to me that native hunting rights are absolute, permanent, unchangeable or can't be regulated. Settlement, mining and lumber cover just about everything and "other purposes" takes care of the rest. Conservation would fit under "other."
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BC is different than most of the rest of the country. There were few treaties, often the reserves were simply laid out, whether the Indians were there or not. I know of at least one case where the man appointed by the Federal Gov't to lay out the reserves submitted in writing to his superiors that he laid out the reserves and told the Indians that they have the reserves laid out and "their hunting grounds in the mountains as they have always had them". So what does that mean?

BC is a giant mess because the Gov't of the day (BC) did not deal in good faith with the issue and there were jurisdictional battles between the province and the feds.

From the section you quote, it looks like the province has no authority to make regulations concerning the Indians, the Crown in Right of Canada is not the same as the Crown in Right of whichever Province. So if the province issues a timber licence, so what, it was not issued by "said government".
 
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MiG25 said:
BC is different than most of the rest of the country. There were few treaties, often the reserves were simply laid out, whether the Indians were there or not. I know of at least one case where the man appointed by the Federal Gov't to lay out the reserves submitted in writing to his superiors that he laid out the reserves and told the Indians that they have the reserves laid out and "their hunting grounds in the mountains as they have always had them". So what does that mean?

BC is a giant mess because the Gov't of the day (BC) did not deal in good faith with the issue and there were jurisdictional battles between the province and the feds.
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Perhaps, but the moose weren't shot in BC.
 
Dogleg said:
Perhaps, but the moose weren't shot in BC.
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Perhaps, Trespassing at Night is a Federal matter. Regular Trespassing is a Provincial matter.

Either way, a little respect from everyone would go a long way, there is no need to antagonize ones neighbours.
 
MiG25 said:
Either way, a little respect from everyone would go a long way, there is no need to antagonize ones neighbours.
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Depends if you have good neighbours or not. In this case permission was not given for said private land to be hunted on.

If my neighbours will not follow rules, why should I when dealing with them?
 
Brian46 said:
Depends if you have good neighbours or not. In this case permission was not given for said private land to be hunted on.

If my neighbours will not follow rules, why should I when dealing with them?
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Yes, and the landowner was wronged.
 
I have never had a problem getting permission to hunt on farms but I alway offer to do a bit of work to help the farmer usually it's clean a barn or chicken coop
let's Face it no one realy likes cleaning a chicken coop usually the farmer will get a hold of there Neighbors and get permission from them as well the good neighbor policy goes a long ways
 
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