400 Yard Elk cartridge . what's your Pick

blakeyboy said:
Lmfao at "Some of us figured out how to get stuff done, even in a hurry.' I'm gonna steal that for sure haha

Love it, my money is on you starvin. By the time Rman has even thought about what just happened and shrugged it off as another lost opportunity starvin is notching another tag. Rman, real killer stuff starts early, like single digits old early with pellet guns and .22's on small game early. Closing the deal isn't an issue, it's called rise to the occasion auto-pilot type stuff. Lots of guys like to fack around and find out but the real ones don't, carry on with your range methods and ignore a 2400-3200 fps advantage window matching to kill zone size of targets inside the animals window of perception and skeedattle...where 98% of all game is taken btw. Do you only hunt muley's or gophers or something that has the sight distance chill method of defence? Or do you actually hunt flighty animals that leave first and ask questions later? Weird because I'm from the same hood as you and not a chance I'd handicap myself 100-150 yards with a tag in my pocket but I also don't often give the pass on coyotes so it's gotta be ready for calling predators to whitetails and everything else. When it's beyond the 2400-3200 fps advantage is when you have time to break out whatever elevation correction solution you like. These sure are trying times when it comes to general logic and common sense. And to come in hot and call people morons...talk about a gaslight of gaslights. This seems to be a reoccurring theme with you though...pot, kettle...sup.

starvin marvin be fillin them tags, Rman be trollin'n'gaslightin ;)

oh, and always hold fur on the first one lol...starvin knows
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Dude... with a turret, as mentioned... you can set your zero to whatever distance you want. You must have missed that before you typed your spew. No one said anything about dialing anything for a quick shot? Thick brush? Set it to 50 yards. Out on the flat? Set it to 300. In the mountains? Set it to 150. Got a 500 yarder? Dial it up. It is a much better method than a one size fits all, average distance, sounds good because the internet says so non-solution.
Your shooting skills must be about as good as your reading comprehension... which is about zero...Not even the one that threw out the moron designation, but hey, if that shoe fits you...
Trying times, indeed.

R.
 
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Rman said:
Dude... with a turret, as mentioned... you can set your zero to whatever distance you want. You must have missed that before you typed your spew. No one said anything about dialing anything for a quick shot? Thick brush? Set it to 50 yards. Out on the flat? Set it to 300. In the mountains? Set it to 150. Got a 500 yarder? Dial it up. It is a much better method than a one size fits all, average distance, sounds good because the internet says so non-solution.
Your shooting skills must be about as good as your reading comprehension... which is about zero...
Trying times, indeed.

R.
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ever heard of Murphy? what's your trigger pull at? your logic is completely gone, a zero lock turret or one covered with a dust cap, both set on mpbr...are the only dial up solutions to run, otherwise you bump it off, forget where it's at and have at wrong spot etc. that's no brainer kiss set up for hunting, same as a simple reticle with only a few aim points where the only thing rather than ffp mil this xmas trees etc. that are essentially useless noise for where all the action really happens on animals, simple sfp you need to remember is to dial the max magnification, either way, the dialling only starts when there's gobs of time and the animal is beyond mpbr, who dials to 50 or 150, dude no offence you sound rookie, I know very experienced guys who do too much range time but still killer killers and still meet Murphy with their light triggers and turrets left a rotation out from previous shoot...buck of a lifetime on that last one cost him, the light trigger only cost him a coyote...you take your range gear and range methods into the field hunting real animals and you will meet Murphy all the time, for some of us, that's not cool, we're not down with that many missed opportunities or fack ups lol, love your signature btw, it's almost like how you post, a gaslight...if you're going to dial, dial. Don't shoot. haha
 
We need a cgn get together, these conversations would go so much better with beer and wings. Truth is we’re kind of an elitist group and Rman probably does just fine twisting dials. It’s the average hunter who watches a best of the west and puts gear over experience that will screw it up. This is the cohort that 20 years ago would lose an opportunity by having their scope set on 12 power. They’re not stupid (mostly), just excited! That 5 second rush is what’s it’s about.
 
blakeyboy said:
ever heard of Murphy? what's your trigger pull at? your logic is completely gone, a zero lock turret or one covered with a dust cap, both set on mpbr...are the only dial up solutions to run, otherwise you bump it off, forget where it's at and have at wrong spot etc. that's no brainer kiss set up for hunting, same as a simple reticle with only a few aim points where the only thing rather than ffp mil this xmas trees etc. that are essentially useless noise for where all the action really happens on animals, simple sfp you need to remember is to dial the max magnification, either way, the dialling only starts when there's gobs of time and the animal is beyond mpbr, who dials to 50 or 150, dude no offence you sound rookie, I know very experienced guys who do too much range time but still killer killers and still meet Murphy with their light triggers and turrets left a rotation out from previous shoot...buck of a lifetime on that last one cost him, the light trigger only cost him a coyote...you take your range gear and range methods into the field hunting real animals and you will meet Murphy all the time, for some of us, that's not cool, we're not down with that many missed opportunities or fack ups lol, love your signature btw, it's almost like how you post, a gaslight...if you're going to dial, dial. Don't shoot. haha
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You truly are handicapped... in every sense of the word. You can't even read. The only solutions to run? According to who? You? Laughable at best.
Carry on with your spew. Again, with the Murphy thing, that's about all you have experience with.
Congratulations?

R.
 
starvin said:
Wtf do you hunt Rman? Mosquito’s? Who would set a dial from 100 to 50? How many clicks is that?
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Starvin... you did well on the first response... this one tho? C'mon man. It's about versatility, and putting the zero to where it needs to be, for any given situation or terrain. If that's 300 yards for you, all the time, then fill your boots.
If a feller is going into some thick stuff, why would he want his zero at 300 yards, when he can barely see 150, or less. It takes seconds to do, and undo. It's just another variable to limit.
Lots of different ways to get stuff done, right?

R.
 
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How many clicks Rman?
I might hit the range tomorrow. I’m thinking dead on at 50 and 300 might be the same on a scoped rifle.
It’s almost like the idea of maximum point blank range is to maximize versatility. It’s all about versatility….
I’m out!
 
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starvin said:
How many clicks Rman?
I might hit the range tomorrow. I’m thinking dead on at 50 and 300 might be the same on a scoped rifle.
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Depends on the cartridge... but it really isn't about that, is it? If a guy is dialed to 50 yards, it's going to be a fairly special situation. Good news tho, in about a second or so, he can be right back at 300, or 200, or 100, or 400... or anywhere in between. is this difficult to understand? Or is the focus on something else?
Are you dead on between 50 and 300 yards? There is no greater versatility than the ability to change your zero for any given distance, any time.
It's all about killing... efficiently, and with the fewest variables possible. No?

R.
 
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Rman. I am going to suggest that a person who has used MPBR for 60+ years successfully
is not likely to gain a lot by twisting dials. Being referred to as an imoron is demeaning and
uncalled for. EE.
 
Eagleye said:
Rman. I am going to suggest that a person who has used MPBR for 60+ years successfully
is not likely to gain a lot by twisting dials. Being referred to as an imoron is demeaning and
uncalled for. EE.
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EE, your suggestion is totally correct. Someone that has been using anything for 60 plus years certainly isn’t going gain much by utilizing anything else? There wasn’t much around for scopes 60 years ago… let alone many with turrets…as compared to today.
No matter, though, as it’s been mentioned many times now… there are lots of ways to get things done?
As far as the moron thing, take it up with the fella that mentioned it first?
As a dial twister for 1000’s and 1000’s of days, and someone that zero’s at 100 yards… and so on? Everyone has the capacity to be offended, it certainly doesn’t mean they should be.

R.
 
My solution is to zero a cds dial at 220 yards. This works for me as my local range is 200m so it's easy to check zero and if the shot is further the cds zl dial allows me to quickly dial up. With a simple duplex reticle it's basically moron proof.
 
Rman said:
Then probably best not to be snappin a shot off at 300 yards, plus? Lots of ways to get stuff done... MPBR isn't really one of them, at those distances.

R.
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And MPBR is one of them. With the right cartridge, it is usable out to 400 yards. And much faster than any scope adjustment I have ever used. And I have used a LOT of scopes. - dan
 
what about me? he called me handicapped lol, what...y'all agree or something? ;)

lmao, just another projection, he really should stop hating on himself like that
 
savagelh said:
My solution is to zero a cds dial at 220 yards. This works for me as my local range is 200m so it's easy to check zero and if the shot is further the cds zl dial allows me to quickly dial up. With a simple duplex reticle it's basically moron proof.
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this, especially with a cds-zl so there's no bumping it off zero while stalking, or coming out of the gun bearer, or scabbard, or off the center console lol
 
I wonder if the hunters 100 yrs ago had a similar "conversation", only theirs would have between about keeping it simple and reliable, ala iron sights vs the new fandangled telescopic sight?

Times change, technology advances. Does MPBR work? yup. Does dialing work? yup. Is one better than the other? That's up to the individual holding the rifle.

Hows that saying go? -- There's more than one way to skin a cat.
 
For sure. Neither makes someone a moron as long as they're good at it. Work at making your way work.

Condemnation of either way seems quite overblown but just my take
 
Rman said:
Not even the one that threw out the moron designation, but hey, if that shoe fits you...

R.
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Rman said:
Morons do MPBR... Antiquated morons that can't grasp the superior idea of simply turning a turret, to exactly match the point of impact to the desired range.

R.
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lmao, well hoytcannon wasn't wrong in his reply to the other guy(skinny cats dad?) back on page 10 about being a moron if you zero a great fast setup like a .270 at 100, just a little enthusiastic...so he inadvertently calls you out with a 3rd person hypothetical reference and you decide to go full short bus on everyone else who rides the long bus...ok man, troll level...expert, or compensating, maybe I am reading you wrong and starvin has it right that you'd be a riot in person
 
dan belisle said:
And MPBR is one of them. With the right cartridge, it is usable out to 400 yards. And much faster than any scope adjustment I have ever used. And I have used a LOT of scopes. - dan
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A 400 yard shot, using a guessstimated holdover, with a guess at a distance, and because it's fast, it's offhand as well...
Sounds like a recipe alright.

R.
 
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