45-70 Fun
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Who said that? I think the only time that occurs is in the case of internal abdominal bleeding. (Qualification for opinion: Once watched a doctor show with #### Van Dyke on roller skates.)
desert spider
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Not much difference between the 308 and 45-70 on paper.
Oddy enough though, I can run through 100 rounds on the bench without issue with the 308 at 8.5lbs, but have had enough with 20 rounds through my guide gun 45-70 which is also 8.5 lbs.
Not much difference between the 308 and 45-70 on paper.
Oddy enough though, I can run through 100 rounds on the bench without issue with the 308 at 8.5lbs, but have had enough with 20 rounds through my guide gun 45-70 which is also 8.5 lbs.
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That be true if yer not wearing a PAST recoil shield. Shootin' off of the bicep works under some hunting or plinking scenarios,(With light caliber rifles) but it be far from ideal for most.
A proper, shotgun butt profile stock with a good recoil pad is best for taming the kick on 45-70 rifles. Me Pedersoli 86/71 be a nicely pleasant unit to shoot with 405 gr hardcast boolits at 14-1500 fps and with single loaded 535 gr at 1300. Extra push, but no pain.
Me Rossi RH in 45 Colt with hefty loads ain't comfy shootin' from the bench without the shield, but it's fine for stand up shootin'. Curved buttplates look nice but
really accentuate recoil forces.
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Honest question here as I have read this before, what would YOU compare it to? What other medium bores have you fired or for that matter heavier shotgun loads(think 3 1/2 heavy slow tungsten loads)?
I usually try to shoot from a fully supported standing bench if I can or pad up for traditional benches for initial sight in. The rest I try to duplicate field conditions to avoid the "unpleasantness"....
I've been wanting to switch from a Ruger No.1 45-70 to the 405 wcf in an 1895.
Sorry for the derail
It happens more often than you think. Bench rest shooting here too. It rolled past my shoulder onto my arm. Hematoma here. H&R Buffalo Classic, 500gr going too fast. Oh if you think it bucks as hard as a 308 I have news for you. I can load up something that will almost set you on your ass.
Wallenstein
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Thanks, I am sorely tempted.
I use 30-30 and 30.06 for hunting, so am well covered for most things but am lacking any magnum round caliber in the arsenal,
Falconflyer
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When I use an online calculator I come up with a different answer.
308/180/2600 = 19.04 ft lbs
45-70/405/1600 = 28.44 ft lbs
Hah!! If your calculator shows less than 20 ftlbs for a 308, it’s time for a new calculator!
Half mass times velocity squared.
Also, you mixed up the 45-70 speed.
Factory Hornady 325gr FTX leverevolution through a 7.5lb 1895 Marlin dark generates considerably more recoil than the 8.5lb 7mm rem mag we shot immediately after (shooting factory Hornady 162gr Superformance). 60-70% more, if I was to estimate.
I’d estimate the recoil of the 45-70 shooting those FTXs at double that of a 9lb 308 shooting 150s, maybe more.
Easy to manage while standing, but not very pleasant to fire a bunch of rounds through off the bench.
I’d estimate the recoil of the 45-70 shooting those FTXs at double that of a 9lb 308 shooting 150s, maybe more.
Easy to manage while standing, but not very pleasant to fire a bunch of rounds through off the bench.
You disagree with Newton? You just received a D- in 9th grade science class.
Newtons Third Law of Motion states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
The statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects. The size of the forces on the first object equals the size of the force on the second object. The direction of the force on the first object is opposite to the direction of the force on the second object. Forces always come in pairs - equal and opposite action-reaction force pairs.
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I agree with you entirely. Some people don't realize that velocity is also a factor in how that energy is felt. For example, given two identical rifles, equal muzzle energy but one shooting a lighter bullet at higher velocity, the rifle with the faster velocity will push back faster at the shooter, making the recoil feel a little snappier even though the same amount of energy is transferred . I think that may be where Smcx is confused.
Jim
Honest question here as I have read this before, what would YOU compare it to? What other medium bores have you fired or for that matter heavier shotgun loads(think 3 1/2 heavy slow tungsten loads)?
I usually try to shoot from a fully supported standing bench if I can or pad up for traditional benches for initial sight in. The rest I try to duplicate field conditions to avoid the "unpleasantness"....
I've been wanting to switch from a Ruger No.1 45-70 to the 405 wcf in an 1895.
Sorry for the derail
Problem with the 1895 is the shape of the stock. From the bench it is bad. Standing not near as bad.
I usually try to shoot from a fully supported standing bench if I can or pad up for traditional benches for initial sight in. The rest I try to duplicate field conditions to avoid the "unpleasantness"....
I've been wanting to switch from a Ruger No.1 45-70 to the 405 wcf in an 1895.
Sorry for the derail
Problem with the 1895 is the shape of the stock. From the bench it is bad. Standing not near as bad.
