And I thoroughly dislike Glocks, even though they're reliable, do exactly what they are designed to do, and I shoot well with them when I try them. But that's a different never ending debate: tupperware versus traditional metal variants. That's a reliable argument starter once the latest 9mm vs 45 ACP argument has inevitably run its course.
.45 vs 9mm - The debate is over, say the Experts
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I'd rather have an hi cap 9mm and be able to face a wider variety of scenarios than have limited rounds loaded at my disposal and having limited penetration through different material. Simple as that. A 9mm round will offer better ballistic through wider spec of materials than both .40 & .45. Whether it takes 1 or 4 rounds to neutralize the threat is simply a matter of shot placement. Sure a .45 slug offers more kinetic energy on target at close range but a 9mm will be more controllable if follow up shots are needed shall the threat still be current.
If you hit center mass, the threat should go down unless it wears protection. In that case, better have the higher capacity gun and clear a path to make you way to a hi power firearm.
If you hit center mass, the threat should go down unless it wears protection. In that case, better have the higher capacity gun and clear a path to make you way to a hi power firearm.
Rick you nailed it. I spent a lot of my free time working on my golf game. If you knew how many sets of golf clubs I bought over the years ( worse if my wife knew), chasing old man par..... well the magazines said it would work!
None of these discussions mount to much. The police officers in this country get what the politicians vote to provide. The Army gets what it get pretty much on the same basis. For the rest of us cardboard doesn't matter and any gun handy will be better than nothing if in the rare incidence a civilian would need one. Home invasions would be the only situation other than either camping out in offbeat areas or for wildlife protection. Shotgun slugs trump every popular handgun caliber meant for a semi auto or revolver.
Take Care
Bob
None of these discussions mount to much. The police officers in this country get what the politicians vote to provide. The Army gets what it get pretty much on the same basis. For the rest of us cardboard doesn't matter and any gun handy will be better than nothing if in the rare incidence a civilian would need one. Home invasions would be the only situation other than either camping out in offbeat areas or for wildlife protection. Shotgun slugs trump every popular handgun caliber meant for a semi auto or revolver.
Take Care
Bob
Just shoot at 20 yards and keep shooting until the target falls down. :>)
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Wish I could find the link. A surgon in the usa did a presentation on gun shot wounds. Basically he said there was little difference between 9mm, 40, 45. He considers them all to be weak and that they are lucky that 90% of shootings are with handguns as the survival rate is quite high. If it was 90% rifle shootings they wouldnt have a whole lot to do. .357 mag, 44 mag were the exception, they produced near rifle like wounds.
I've always wondered why 9x23 WIN wasn't more popular as it offers the capacity of the typical 9x19 pistol (magazine capacity is a function of cartridge diameter) with the velocity of a 357 MAG. If it were more popular I'd love to get one, but it would be pretty pointless and hard to feed.
In a world with equal ammo availability, I'd take 9x23 WIN over 10mm Norma MAG as you get most of the power, more magazine capacity and recoil that should be manageable in carry sized pistols.
In a world with equal ammo availability, I'd take 9x23 WIN over 10mm Norma MAG as you get most of the power, more magazine capacity and recoil that should be manageable in carry sized pistols.
The reason is probably because it would be a solution in search of a problem to solve. For defence/police use, the 9mm with current service ammunition does as well as .357 SIG, 45 ACP, 40 S&W, etc. So what advantage are you gaining for the extra muzzle blast, recoil, and probably wear and tear on the pistol? Part of the reason many police forces or moving from the 40 S&W back to 9mm, and some from 357 SIG back to 9mm, is the accelerated wear on pistols. Not a big deal to a private owner, perhaps, but a big deal if you have to replace all the guns for a force the size of the NYPD, the RCMP, etc early.
And I'd just stick with the vanilla 9mm. If you had to make it between the 9x23 and the 10mm... let me know when you figure out how to get 220 grain bullets doing 1200 fps out of that 9mm. That's a legitimate hunting/critter defense round. The 9x23, not so much. I own a DW Classic Bobtail Commander in 10mm and that is a very impressive cartridge indeed. Down in Montana, it gets carried around the yard because it's pretty normal to have bears and cougars go strolling through. But I wouldn't carry it in town; won't do anything a 9mm won't do with service ammunition for self defense.
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