.45LC 4.75" Pietta 1873 Colt Review (modem burning hi def stills!)

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OK, well I have yet to read a really good thorough review of the new-ish Pietta 1873 Colt clones Marstar started carrying about a year ago now. Having owned and shot a Pietta 1860 Army for quite a bit longer than Marstar has been selling them, I had few qualms about trying out one of these new offerings.

Since I found virtually ZERO in the way of first hand reviews and even less in terms of good pictorial documentation of the fit, finish and look of the Piettas (Uberti stuff is EVERYWHERE), I decided to fill that gap ;) Hope you all enjoy the pics and as a result have a better idea about if you want to buy one of these or not.

These are pretty faithful reproductions of the 2nd Generation Colt. Pietta also makes a 1st Gen clone, but I haven't seen one in-hand to comment on it. Like the originals, there is NO transfer bar safety (and yes, you can hold the trigger down and slam fire the hammer using the palm of your hand). The only safeties are a half-#### and a second position on the cylinder pin that prevents hammer falls far enough to strike the primer, but this is more of a "riding in the saddle" safety, not intended for things like CAS shooting.

I really like that Pietta kept all the stupid Italian stamping to discreet parts of the pistol for a change (unlike on the Ubertis or on the Pietta cap and ball offerings). The frame proofs are over-struck by the serial in front of the trigger guard and the cylinder is proofed on the back face where you cannot see it when assembled. The serial number is on the frame, cylinder and loading gate stamped in a font reminiscent of the original Colt stamps. The action is slick and my guns trigger is breaking clean at about 4 lbs out of the box. I'll bet with a little work I could get it to break even lighter, but 4 lbs will do :)

I got the "blued steel and walnut" gun b/c I just like it :) (actually, the frame is color case hardened) Tiffany grips and faux-ivory are available, as well as a bird's head grip on the Thunderer-like model, and the finish is available in nickel and stainless as well. The walnut is mercifully not glossy and seems to be oil finished - bonus! One less thing to change ;) The 4.75" model REALLY balances well and draws FAST. 'Nuff said.

Of course, the gun was bought at Marstar (now a contributing dealer! Yay!) www.marstar.ca Service was courteous and prompt. Marstar DOES honor their Ironclad Guarantee too. I had gotten a defective gun (not a Colt clone) from them just before ordering this one. They took it back, were very apologetic, and threw in some nice extras (like the snap caps in the pics) due to all the hassle I had gone through with that other item. A class act of a business in case you didn't know already ;)

So enough chatter, here are the pics. I shot one pic next to an 1860 Army Model to show the relative size. The serial number has the last 2 digits " starred out" :D

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Discrete "farb" markings:
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Notice how the Italian proofs are nicely overstamped with the serial number ;)
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The snap caps are so I can play cowboy... lol.
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Easy as pie to disassemble...
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Pretty good interior machining.
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The final verdict? Uberti clones cost generally about $100 more. Berrettas are about $200 more and Colts cost so much that I can't bring myself to tell you the price. :eek:

The Uberti is not any better made than this Pietta. Yes, I have shot Uberti many times and know those revolvers well. Uberti is just NOT worth the extra money any more. Pietta has their act together ;) I will not be buying another Uberti peacemaker unless the price can match Pietta's prices. The Beretta offering is just an Uberti with the hated (by me) transfer bar safety. Would I like a Colt? Yes. But I can buy FOUR Piettas for the price and not be scared to use them lest they get holster wear ;)

I give this gun 4 and a half cartridges out of 5. I have to admit I am more impressed by it than I thought I would be and will likely buy another :redface:

Thanks Marstar and Pietta for making a great product available at a fair price (for a change when it comes to Colt clones...)
 
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If you want to find some review on the gun, look for the Charles Daly model reviews. They are made by Pietta . They have received some good reviews and now I want one too.
 
How do they rate when it comes to point of impact, in relation to the sights?? I worry about getting a six-gun w/o adjustable sights!!
 
ben hunchak said:
How do they rate when it comes to point of impact, in relation to the sights?? I worry about getting a six-gun w/o adjustable sights!!

No CAS legal 6-gun will have adjustable sights except a Remington Oulaw which is just windage adjustable.

As for POI, I'll let you know this weekend. Got some factory ammo (Federal) to try which should be good for comparrison as reloads are a very personal thing and too variable from one bench to the next for this kind of comparison.
 
Great review Claven. I've been thinking about getting the Thunderer grip frame model but hadn't seen any up close pics of the fit and finish of the Piettas. Now I'll have to start saving my pennies.
 
Killer Kanuck said:
Great review Claven. I've been thinking about getting the Thunderer grip frame model but hadn't seen any up close pics of the fit and finish of the Piettas. Now I'll have to start saving my pennies.

Well, as I said, it is MUCH better than I expected. At least as good as Uberti :)

It's also much better than the fit and finish on my Pietta C&B's. Aparently they got all new machines for the 1873 production line and it realy shows in the tolerances department ;) The grips look and feel like they grew around the grip frame, and with the oil finish, should wear in really well.
 
Hey great post Ron, I have the Stampede as you know. Sure bent on getting a 5 1/2" Pietta. Only problem I have right now is deciding going for the Pietta or opting for a Blackhawk so I can load up heavier loads. Not a great fan of the frame fixed sights. Kind of wish somebody would produce the Peacemaker sized gun with adjustable sights.

Take Care

Bob
 
The stampede is a pretty darned good 6-gun. I personally would not buy one for the same reason I will never buy a vaquero. The stampede is not the original 1873 design, it has an added transfer bar safety. This is probably a GOOD thing in terms of safety, but I'm too much of a purist! lol...

The Stampede, for those who don't know, is a Beretta offering. Beretta owns Uberti, so it should come as no great surprise that the Stampede is just an Uberti 1873 with black bakelite grips (to look somewhat like Colt grips), a transfer bar safety, and usually slightly richer color case on the frame. For these options you pay about $150-200 more than the price of a regular Uberti ;)

Some of the Colt guns (2nd and 3rd gen) are also made in the USA from Uberti rough-finished parts.

Pietta does not use Uberti parts, they are independent. But their product seem to be as good, thankfully :)

As for a blackhawk, if yo do CAS, it will put you in the modern class.

Also, you CAN get adjustable sights installed on an 1873, but I personally wouldn't go that route :)
 
Ron have you figured out, other than locktite, a method of preventing the GD screws from backing out. I know Colt does or used to use small plastic washers. Drives me nuts.

Gonna have to take a hard look at a Pietta. Like the wooden grips that is for certain. What are your thoughts getting a 5 1/2" barrel to achieve a longer sighting plane?

For those who think the transfer bar is fail safe I can tell you from personal experience that if your thumb slips off the hammer as you are decocking after doing a reload gun goes boom! If you are lucky it only misses your big toe by about five inches. Don't ask me how I know!

Take Care

Bob
 
As I said Bob, regarding the x-fer bar, I am NOT a fan ;)

Which screws are you talking about? The three action screws? I have heard Uberti (and Beretta) screws are known to be "soft", but I've not experienced a problem with them myself. Have you tried replacing the screws? Lots of parts suppliers stock replacement parts for generic 1873's.

WRT the barrel, I think the difference between the 4.75" barrel and the 5.5" barrel sighting plane is likely negligible. I like that the 4.75" barrel draws much faster :)

Think of it this way - do you think Gov't model 1911's are easier to aim than Commander sized 1911's? In theory, yes. But in practical terms, no.
 
As to the barrel length figured as much.

Screws on SAA Colts have been backing out for years Ron. surprised you have not run into it yet. The screw that holds the cartridge plunger, the two screws beside the hammer and the one that holds the trigger guard on are the worst offenders.

Spoke to a guy down in the States who has been shooting SAA since he was a pup and he tells me it is common amongst SAA Colts.

Know anyone out your way who wants to buy a 31" belt and holster for CASS. Set sells for $180 US I am going to let it go for a lot less. Holster fits 5 1/2" guns.
Take Care

Bob
 
Hi Bob,

I do know the screws loosen up, but you made it sound like yours were worse than normal. FWIW, I retighten my SAA screws after every range trip. Never had them loosen enough during one range session to matter though.

As for a holster rig, I have a 30" waist but I've already got 2 rigs! ;)
 
Well if you know of anybody let them know how to get hold of me. I may post it on the buy sell. Just haven't got around to it yet. Retired and don't have the time...

Take Care

Bob
 
Cute ;) I WISH I was retired...

Well I had it out today with Federal Hi-Power 225gr flying ashtrays :)

Windage was right on. Elevation was all over the place, but that's my fault. Targets were shot at 15m and I had trouble getting used to the tall front sight. Shooting it from a makeshift rest was much better. Got about 3 inch groups, which is good considering it was just some crossed sticks using ammo I never shot before and this includes the vertical stringing due to shooter error ;).

All in all though, it performed well and was a good experience. Put 100 rounds through it. When I got home, had to snug most of the screws about 1/8 of a turn - par for the course with 1873 type guns.

Practice will improve this gun's p[erformance (in my hands) dramatically.

On another note, got to witness a Grand Power K100 crap all over itself when the shooter got a squib in a box of commercially reloaded Centaure ammo. Jammed up tighter than a methodist in a chastity belt. The primer squibbed the round only about 1/4 inch into the bore and the barrel rotated 1/4 turn. End effect - paper weight. In fairness, it was the ammo - not the gun. And thankfully not MY gun... lol
 
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What I was surprised the most about shooting the Stampede was how light the trigger was. I took me about 400 rds to get used to it. I have shot 200 gr LSWC, 220 gr RN bullets designed for the .45acp as well as commercial cast 259 gr bullets. I also have two molds. One is a a 255 gr custom bullet I got from Felix Robbins from the Cast Boolit Forum. Man it has the widest meplat you ever saw. I also have a 300 gr bullet mold that I have yet to shoot.

Of my revolvers this is my favourite gun, a retirement gift from my wife. While I carry my 1911 loaded with 45-08 rds in the bush for bear protection I would feel entirely safe carrying the Stampede as well.

Going to have to look into the Pietta Ron, sounds like you have a real shooter. May have to dump my two Webleys I seldom shoot to fund the purchase.

Take Care

Bob
 
What webleys are they? ;) The Pietta is not an expensive gun so you shouldn;t need to raise much cash.

I wish the Rossi .45LC Win 92 clones were available up here. The Armi Sport copies are very nice (I had one for a while), but cost far too much for what they are IMHO - 'specially when the Rossi guns are like $350 ;)
 
Claven2 said:
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Some of the Colt guns (2nd and 3rd gen) are also made in the USA from Uberti rough-finished parts.

snip... :)

EEEK, do we have to do this one again???

The ONLY Colts which have EVER been Uberti parts finished in the 'States are the 2nd, 3rd/present gen Black Powder guns (looks like they've gone t**ts up again).

All of the "Colt" B.P. re-introductions have been (as you said) produced from Italian forgings/unfinished parts. Supposedly the first ones were just finished in the US by Colt, The seconds were allegedly finish machined & finished for Colt by Iver Johnson (when owned by Louis Imperato, who later owned Colt B.P.)

The Model "P" / 1873 / SAA have NEVER been produced from Italian parts/forgings.

Regards
D
 
Lee Enfield said:
EEEK, do we have to do this one again???

The ONLY Colts which have EVER been Uberti parts finished in the 'States are the 2nd, 3rd/present gen Black Powder guns (looks like they've gone t**ts up again).

All of the "Colt" B.P. re-introductions have been (as you said) produced from Italian forgings/unfinished parts. Supposedly the first ones were just finished in the US by Colt, The seconds were allegedly finish machined & finished for Colt by Iver Johnson (when owned by Louis Imperato, who later owned Colt B.P.)

The Model "P" / 1873 / SAA have NEVER been produced from Italian parts/forgings.

Regards
D

Fair enough, though I've read several articles claiming the contrary... In any event, we can all agree - the Colts are nice, if overpriced somewhat.
 
Claven2

the Colts are nice, if overpriced somewhat

Somewhat!

I darned near choked when I read that but then I recognized you were being polite.:D


Take Care

bob
 
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