50 Beowulf AR15 pistol build - can we get 10 rnd mags?

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...You requested a change to the barrel length of your ###X firearm with serial number ###XX. Could you please tell us the name of the company that provided you with your new barrel? ...

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Firearm Technology Unit (FTU-L) / Groupe de la technologie des armes à feu (GTAF-L)
Royal Canadian Mounted Police / Gendarmerie royale du Canada
Canadian Firearms Program / Programme canadien des armes à feu
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Looking for information on my new build I'm fine with. However can they demand information on where I get my barrel from and why are they curious?

edit. Just to be clear -this is an AR15 build. Already restricted.

Side question. Can I ask them right now to classify as pistol in 50 Beowulf?

2012/11/06 EDIT

OK i called the RCMP firearm Technology Unit and spoke to a nice lady who was very helpful. She mentioned that they never had an 18" barrel in the firearm manufacturer before and wanted some details because the firearm would be brand new to the data base. OK. I requested that the lower be classified as a pistol and she mentioned that I could not. I asked why since the manufacturer states on their website that the lower is stamped multicaliber and can be used as a rifle or lower.

Since our virgin stripped T15BDX™ Lower Receiver can be assembled in either a pistol or a rifle configuration (subject to ATF regulations), no designation of pistol or rifle is marked on the receiver which allows you to assemble it in either configuration you prefer (contact ATF for assembly restrictions and guidelines). The receiver is equally suited for either application.
She put me on hold for a bit then came back and stated that yes I could rescind my request to make lower a 223 rifle with 18 inch barrel. Make a pistol and send them digital pictures of both sides and one indicating overall length. I wanted to clarify how to make a pistol - not just a restriced firearm. We all know there is a difference with acceptable round count. She came back with a legal description of a pistol is a firearm designed to be shot with one hand. I also asked if I can make my pistol in 50 BEOWULF - she said yes.

I will have to make my lower without a buttstock - maybe a buffer tube designed to not accept stocks. Build an upper in 50 Beowulf - maybe not even add a handguard to remove any chance of calling it a hand position for firing.

Is there 50 Beowulf uppers available in Canada? Can anyone make a 50 Beowulf barrel? Are the components to make a Beowulf upper the same as 223 components? What width of barrel would you need? 0.750?

EDIT 2012/11/07

Changed direction of thread. 50 Beowulf AR15 build and the quest for ten round 50 Beowulf magazines for all.
 
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That's interesting. Has that always been there? I've never done the Lower --> Rifle registration change. Could be some kind of prevention measure that was meant to be applied to shotguns? ya know, so you don't make your 28" into a 12" on your own and just re-register it?
 
Huh, never heard of this before. I suppose there is some justification for them verifying if it is a legit factory barrel, due to the current laws.

Maybe they're jealous.
 
I'm going to assume that the barrel is of a length such that if it were a factory barrel cut down the gun would be prohibited, but not if the barrel was made in that length.
If your barrel is a sawed off one, you might have a problem.
 
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Can I ask them to change lower to pistol and change caliber to 50 Beowulf?
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Yes you can if you do that....

They ask because they have to make a new FRT number and enter the info I did that with a frame and it went from Non restricted frame to non restricted 10/22 with a 10.5 inch barrel and was still non restricted because the stock made it longer then 26 it was like 32 or 33 inchs. They wanted to know who made the barrel since in there system it doesn't exist.

Basicly my 10/22 has its own FRT number because there is no 10.5 inch barrel ones that are non restricted and to update the system they can't do it so they had to make a new number to make it work for paperwork reasons. The Cert just changed from Frame to firearm that was it.

They also asked me what capacity it was and I was like well 10/22 rifles have no limit but they insisted I give them a number so I said 100 rounds. There are some magazines that shoot 100 rounds so why not...
 
asked a gunsmith. he said if you cut down the barrel on an AR, its considered prohibited. you have to buy a manufactured barrel if you want to change the length..
i am NOT knowledgable on this topic. This was direct from the mouth of a gunsmith...
 
They asked me that when I had a 12 1/2 inch Dlask barrel. This was a number of years ago. Thay had me measure the barrel a number of times (it was about 1/8" longer than it was supposed to be). Then the woman said there was no frt for it. Eventually she got her supervisor on and it turned out that while they had frt's for dlask barrels on 870 express, they didn't have one for a wingmaster. They issued a new frt and all was good. It may be that the barrel length you are registering isn't common and if the company whose barrel you have never made one in that length you may have a problem. For instance try telling them you have a genuine Remington barrel for an 870 that is 13 3/4". Guaranteed you would be told to turn it in for inspection. People think no one will know if you chop a barrel, but it is easier to tell than you would think.
 
asked a gunsmith. he said if you cut down the barrel on an AR, its considered prohibited. you have to buy a manufactured barrel if you want to change the length..
i am NOT knowledgable on this topic. This was direct from the mouth of a gunsmith...
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100% correct. I would hope the OP already knows this. If you change a barrel, or a gunsmith changes a barrel, it is a Get-into-jail-free-card. Only if it rolls off a shiny manufacturing line that way is it okay.

While we're asking weird questions: what happens if I take my 10.5 Norc, and try to weld a barrel extension on there to make it 20" long. Am I making a prohibited device by adding barrel length? (p.s. I don't own a norc. but I could never imagine doing that to my tavor)
 
It is an legit question, they have a FRT numbers for different barrels from different manufacturers they can check against or if not they can verified with the manufacturer that They did make that particular length, this is to ensure the barrel wasn't cut illegally below 18" by someone in their own basement. it doesn't matter if the firearm is already restricted, anyone cuts a barrel below 18" it is automatically considered a prohibited device even if the OAL is over 27".
As to reclassified the firearm into a pistol, unless they actually left the factory as a pistol, I don't think you can change it, but you should ask them to be sure.
 
NOT a LEGIT Question!~

They most likely want to cut off the supply.

I sold the lower of my AR-10 awhile back.. The RCMP asked where the Upper was? I said why does it matter. They said we need to know.
I told them I gave it away. LOL

Anyway. An RCMP acquaintance told me that it is not their F'N business where the upper is, it is NOT the licensed part.

I would take the same stand with he Barrel....or any part, only the Lower is documented and controlled by the RCMP. The rest. Tell them you gave it to you local Brownie Troop
 
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100% correct. I would hope the OP already knows this. If you change a barrel, or a gunsmith changes a barrel, it is a Get-into-jail-free-card. Only if it rolls off a shiny manufacturing line that way is it okay.

While we're asking weird questions: what happens if I take my 10.5 Norc, and try to weld a barrel extension on there to make it 20" long. Am I making a prohibited device by adding barrel length? (p.s. I don't own a norc. but I could never imagine doing that to my tavor)
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To be clear - when you say "changing a barrel" you actually mean chopping a barrel - changing it by swapping in a new factory barrel is quite legal.
 
Tell them to get f***ed. You don't have to answer any questions.
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True, but if the OP has created a prohib it is the duty of the horse fuzz to investigate... Not clear if the barrel was chopped or factory made.
 
they likely just want to know that its a barrel manufacturered in whatever length as opposed to cut down.
 
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