50 Bw mags things are getting stupid

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enefgee said:
Where, other than Canada is a shooter required to use magazines with mechanically reduced capacity? Nowhere. Where in Canada are AR aluminum mag bodies made? Nowhere. These mags are limited by crimping and marked with cheap engraving, this is the same crap the guy out here was pulling with 30 round mags crimped to five and laser engraved "pistol mag". It's BS and someone with less knowledge than BBB might fall for it and get a very large legal bill for his/her trouble. Is it worth it to shoot 16 rounds instead of 10 - really? Thanks BBB.
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that's the point I,m trying to get across, that if you want into a gunshop and buy a product, it should be legal, as when the police grab you and you say I got them from x shop, that's not going to be a pass, you will still have to deal with the legal issue and try and get your guns back, if its the fish cops, you may even loose you truck until things are sorted out.
I think it is on the importer to makes sure that the items sold in Canada are legal at the time of sale.
Hence why the official C products importer was waiting.

As Tinkerbell as stated he has seen a case of c products mags marked and shipped to Canada as 50BW.
That is great, as long as C products can provide proof in writing that these mags "meet" the definition of a new made dedicated 50BW mag holding 5rds of 50bw to both cbsa and the rcmp as well as the importer, then all is rosey in our world. Just like the 10rd xcr mags, the 10rd 762x39 mags and the 10rd 223 ar15 mags.

seeing this new " Canadian made mag" and everyone can see is just a C products mag remarked, is just going to get everyone in S**T, as we wil not be able to prove if its a 223 made mag or a 50 mag.
I don't like the laws anymore then you do, but trying to brake them and getting customers in a situation that they have no legal backing is not making me happy as a firearms owner.
 
It's too bad Bill C-42 doesn't include a clause eliminating mag capacity restrictions. That would be convenient for all.

Also, I don't think the RCMP really cares about proof that the mags are designed and intended for use in a .50 Beowulf AR15. They told Northern Republic in writing that didn't matter and that the magazine had to be a completely different shape (wouldn't fit in an AR15 mag well). :rolleyes:
 
cancer said:
It's too bad Bill C-42 doesn't include a clause eliminating mag capacity restrictions. That would be convenient for all.

Also, I don't think the RCMP really cares about proof that the mags are designed and intended for use in a .50 Beowulf AR15. They told Northern Republic in writing that didn't matter and that the magazine had to be a completely different shape (wouldn't fit in an AR15 mag well). :rolleyes:
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uneducated officers

edit: poor video, but same concept.

 
cancer said:
It's too bad Bill C-42 doesn't include a clause eliminating mag capacity restrictions. That would be convenient for all.

Also, I don't think the RCMP really cares about proof that the mags are designed and intended for use in a .50 Beowulf AR15. They told Northern Republic in writing that didn't matter and that the magazine had to be a completely different shape (wouldn't fit in an AR15 mag well). :rolleyes:
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Yes well. they don't have the kind of money to fight the rcmp like a large company like NS or gravle is.
The rcmp know that..
 
We have a large order of 50 BW mags in place with a large Canadian distributor. I just contacted them and they advised there are legal concerns preventing them from bringing them into Canada at present. The legality of the mags, where and who makes them and if they have been converted from another caliber are under review by the Canadian government. At present we are not selling them(don't have any anyway) and until the distributor is assured these are legal (in what ever form they arrive) we won't try to bring them in. I think everyone needs to sit back and take a deep breath. Thanks BBB for bringing up this concern and certainly don't think your motive was to attack another dealer but to try to get to the bottom of what's going on with these mags...time will tell. Phil.
 
P of PDent said:
We have a large order of 50 BW mags in place with a large Canadian distributor. I just contacted them and they advised there are legal concerns preventing them from bringing them into Canada at present. The legality of the mags, where and who makes them and if they have been converted from another caliber are under review by the Canadian government. At present we are not selling them(don't have any anyway) and until the distributor is assured these are legal (in what ever form they arrive) we won't try to bring them in. I think everyone needs to sit back and take a deep breath. Thanks BBB for bringing up this concern and certainly don't think your motive was to attack another dealer but to try to get to the bottom of what's going on with these mags...time will tell. Phil.
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So are they the C Products ones or another manufacturer?
 
This thread is garbage. Sounds like one dealer not liking how another dealer has the first distribution. Don't think this has anything to do with warning us as consumers. Is this what we really need is fighting amongst the gun community itself Lets not forget what happened with Swiss Arms and the 858
 
Cummins said:
50 beo is a patented cal, does that mean only they can make parts for it I doubt you would get a reamer made in 50 beo, if the new maker has a 50 beo in his possession and the new mags hold and feed 5 rounds good, if that's not good enough I would say any non factory would be painted with the same brush. This is such a wonderful Tuesday morning topic you should gather up samples and send them in for examination maybe get a patent lawyer involved.
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http://shop.pacifictoolandgauge.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=135_444&products_id=5560
 
Lszwajda said:
This thread is garbage. Sounds like one dealer not liking how another dealer has the first distribution. Don't think this has anything to do with warning us as consumers. Is this what we really need is fighting amongst the gun community itself Lets not forget what happened with Swiss Arms and the 858
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Looks like other retailers have chimed in too... There's some reason the large orders have been detained... In less you want flimsy PCV it looks like true Alexander Arms Beowulf mags remain the only game for now.
 
Lszwajda said:
This thread is garbage. Sounds like one dealer not liking how another dealer has the first distribution. Don't think this has anything to do with warning us as consumers. Is this what we really need is fighting amongst the gun community itself Lets not forget what happened with Swiss Arms and the 858
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When are you volunteering to be the test case for us?
 
P of PDent said:
We have a large order of 50 BW mags in place with a large Canadian distributor. I just contacted them and they advised there are legal concerns preventing them from bringing them into Canada at present. The legality of the mags, where and who makes them and if they have been converted from another caliber are under review by the Canadian government. At present we are not selling them(don't have any anyway) and until the distributor is assured these are legal (in what ever form they arrive) we won't try to bring them in. I think everyone needs to sit back and take a deep breath. Thanks BBB for bringing up this concern and certainly don't think your motive was to attack another dealer but to try to get to the bottom of what's going on with these mags...time will tell. Phil.
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Thank you phil.
 
Being the dealer with Alexander Arms, we were originally going to manufacturer the polymer version of the .50 Beowulf mags in Korea completely with a new mold 2 years ago. We have one currently sitting with RCMP for inspection, however, numerous email with RCMP did mentioned that they will not likely going to approve any .50 Beowulf magazine.

Here is a portion of the communication I have with RCMP

"Across the spectrum of numerous inspections, RCMP-SFSS has not seen a single 50 Beowulf magazine or a single 458 Socom Calibre magazine for the AR-15 platform that is not prohibited. This is because the magazine designs we have seen have been adapted from the AR-15/M16 5.56 x 45 mm design to accommodate the 458 Socom & 50 Beowulf calibre cartridge but have never lost the 5.56 mm design features.

I am not here to argue, I am here to tell people what SFSS told me.

It really doesn't make any sense to me either, but a lot of stuffs in life doesn't make any sense as well.
 
Armtac said:
... Here is a portion of the communication I have with RCMP

"Across the spectrum of numerous inspections, RCMP-SFSS has not seen a single 50 Beowulf magazine or a single 458 Socom Calibre magazine for the AR-15 platform that is not prohibited. This is because the magazine designs we have seen have been adapted from the AR-15/M16 5.56 x 45 mm design to accommodate the 458 Socom & 50 Beowulf calibre cartridge but have never lost the 5.56 mm design features.
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Finally, some real facts. Unfortunately, it certainly sheds an unpleasant light on the issue at hand.
It also makes you wonder if advisable to stroll to the range with any .50 Beo mags, AA included.

A flustercucking pandora box indeed. Now that we are all aware, use at your own risks.
 
All the more reason to abolish the magazine capacity limits and do away with such silly confusion!

Keep It Simple Stupid!
 
Armtac said:
Being the dealer with Alexander Arms, we were originally going to manufacturer the polymer version of the .50 Beowulf mags in Korea completely with a new mold 2 years ago. We have one currently sitting with RCMP for inspection, however, numerous email with RCMP did mentioned that they will not likely going to approve any .50 Beowulf magazine.

Here is a portion of the communication I have with RCMP

"Across the spectrum of numerous inspections, RCMP-SFSS has not seen a single 50 Beowulf magazine or a single 458 Socom Calibre magazine for the AR-15 platform that is not prohibited. This is because the magazine designs we have seen have been adapted from the AR-15/M16 5.56 x 45 mm design to accommodate the 458 Socom & 50 Beowulf calibre cartridge but have never lost the 5.56 mm design features.

I am not here to argue, I am here to tell people what SFSS told me.

It really doesn't make any sense to me either, but a lot of stuffs in life doesn't make any sense as well.
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Thanks Armtac - the above correspondence rather contradicts Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72 - Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity

However the section 5 specifically references "handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre" and doesn't reference "semi-automatic rifle which contain more than five (5) rounds of a different calibre"
 
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