50 Bw mags things are getting stupid

[jjr]

Would "officially induced error" or whatever that legal term is apply as a legal defense if you had a copy of Bulletin 72 with you?

 

[Ryan.M.Anderson]

To Brian46, you seem to very much dislike the idea of these mags. Is there a specific reason you don't like other shooters using the them when we are fully within the law? Or is the fact that other shooters are taking up all the supply bother you.

Shooters and gun owners are a community, we should act like one and not argue amongst ourselves. As CTCS pointed out, one statement from someone at the RCMP does not supercede the actual law. The RCMP/Police do a tough and important job but that does not mean they know all the ins and outs of firearms law.

 

[chicu1981]

So are these mags legal? AA ones or the CPD ones?

To Brian46, you seem to very much dislike the idea of these mags. Is there a specific reason you don't like other shooters using the them when we are fully within the law? Or is the fact that other shooters are taking up all the supply bother you.

Shooters and gun owners are a community, we should act like one and not argue amongst ourselves. As CTCS pointed out, one statement from someone at the RCMP does not supercede the actual law. The RCMP/Police do a tough and important job but that does not mean they know all the ins and outs of firearms law.

 

[Brian46]

To Brian46, you seem to very much dislike the idea of these mags. Is there a specific reason you don't like other shooters using the them when we are fully within the law? Or is the fact that other shooters are taking up all the supply bother you.

Neither.

I don't like the idea that my 50 beowulf rifle could be restricted to a single shot because the RCMP-SFSS lab is going that way by stating all centerfire rifle mags they have seen so far for that caliber fall into the prohibited catagory.

Shooters and gun owners are a community, we should act like one and not argue amongst ourselves. As CTCS pointed out, one statement from someone at the RCMP does not supercede the actual law. The RCMP/Police do a tough and important job but that does not mean they know all the ins and outs of firearms law.

Yes, where is the unified gun owner community in getting all the 50 Beowulf mags named prohibited because a few people wanted to skirt the law? Im sure everyone with a 50 Beowulf rifle or 458 SOCOM will be very appreciative of the efforts.

Unfortunately the RCMP are those that bring us before the crown to face charges based on their own labs interpretation of the law, and in this case they have been clear on what that interpretation is. I know the costs of defending yourself in the courtroom and I am by no means a rich man with that type of money to gamble, I have had to do it more than once in my lifetime and the repercussions even when found innocent because you did nothing wrong follow you the rest of your life.

 

[Ryan.M.Anderson]

Brian, thank you for the clarification. Sometimes on forums it is hard to know where everyone is coming from.

 

[Familygunnutz]

no matter these mags are legal or not in the eyes of the RCMP,
consider this, 500 people owns 50beo mags is a small deal for the RCMP = confiscate without compensation
50000 people owns them, ####ing sh*t storm.
this is something we should learn from our Southern neighbors, what do they do when something is about to get banned?

 

[Brian46]

no matter these mags are legal or not in the eyes of the RCMP,
consider this, 500 people owns 50beo mags is a small deal for the RCMP = confiscate without compensation
50000 people owns them, ####ing sh*t storm.
this is something we should learn from our Southern neighbors, what do they do when something is about to get banned?

so how do you propose we get more owners of the mags when shipments have already been stopped due to the legality?

We have a large order of 50 BW mags in place with a large Canadian distributor. I just contacted them and they advised there are legal concerns preventing them from bringing them into Canada at present. The legality of the mags, where and who makes them and if they have been converted from another caliber are under review by the Canadian government. At present we are not selling them(don't have any anyway) and until the distributor is assured these are legal (in what ever form they arrive) we won't try to bring them in. I think everyone needs to sit back and take a deep breath. Thanks BBB for bringing up this concern and certainly don't think your motive was to attack another dealer but to try to get to the bottom of what's going on with these mags...time will tell. Phil.

 

[Familygunnutz]

so how do you propose we get more owners of the mags when shipments have already been stopped due to the legality?

if people can't get them then what is this whole tread about?

 

[Brian46]

if people can't get them then what is this whole tread about?

the ones already here and that their legality has been questioned/RCMP-SFSS findings have been posted

 

[hbean]

BBB is valid, OEM Beowulf mags only comes in capacity of 4 and the mag bodies are manufactured to that length, for any company start importing and selling Beowulf mags that is crimped, pinned or block to 5 rounds or even worse 5.5 rounds, is like playing with fire with people's lives.

 

[45ACPKING]

I'd like to see industry and consumer put their hard earned money towards fighting mag cap restrictions over wasting all this time , energy, money and useless forum posts (just like this one) on trying to find ways around the current legislation, whether it's modified magwell adaptors or "dual use" magazines.
it's really getting ridiculous and at some point is surely to bite us collectively in the azz.

 

[Brian46]

BBB is valid, OEM Beowulf mags only comes in capacity of 4 and the mag bodies are manufactured to that length, for any company start importing and selling Beowulf mags that is crimped, pinned or block to 5 rounds or even worse 5.5 rounds, is like playing with fire with people's lives.

Do you have any documentation from the RCMP to show this, because the SFSS say something a little different.

Being the dealer with Alexander Arms, we were originally going to manufacturer the polymer version of the .50 Beowulf mags in Korea completely with a new mold 2 years ago. We have one currently sitting with RCMP for inspection, however, numerous email with RCMP did mentioned that they will not likely going to approve any .50 Beowulf magazine.

Here is a portion of the communication I have with RCMP

"Across the spectrum of numerous inspections, RCMP-SFSS has not seen a single 50 Beowulf magazine or a single 458 Socom Calibre magazine for the AR-15 platform that is not prohibited. This is because the magazine designs we have seen have been adapted from the AR-15/M16 5.56 x 45 mm design to accommodate the 458 Socom & 50 Beowulf calibre cartridge but have never lost the 5.56 mm design features.

I am not here to argue, I am here to tell people what SFSS told me.

It really doesn't make any sense to me either, but a lot of stuffs in life doesn't make any sense as well.

 

[Familygunnutz]

the ones already here and that their legality has been questioned/RCMP-SFSS findings have been posted

okay I just saw this

Being the dealer with Alexander Arms, we were originally going to manufacturer the polymer version of the .50 Beowulf mags in Korea completely with a new mold 2 years ago. We have one currently sitting with RCMP for inspection, however, numerous email with RCMP did mentioned that they will not likely going to approve any .50 Beowulf magazine.

Here is a portion of the communication I have with RCMP

"Across the spectrum of numerous inspections, RCMP-SFSS has not seen a single 50 Beowulf magazine or a single 458 Socom Calibre magazine for the AR-15 platform that is not prohibited. This is because the magazine designs we have seen have been adapted from the AR-15/M16 5.56 x 45 mm design to accommodate the 458 Socom & 50 Beowulf calibre cartridge but have never lost the 5.56 mm design features.

I am not here to argue, I am here to tell people what SFSS told me.

It really doesn't make any sense to me either, but a lot of stuffs in life doesn't make any sense as well.

well then clearly the RCMP sucks at their jobs for letting thousands in in the first place, it's their #### up again and we are paying the price?

 

[Brian46]

I'd like to see industry and consumer put their hard earned money towards fighting mag cap restrictions over wasting all this time , energy, money and useless forum posts (just like this one) on trying to find ways around the current legislation, whether it's modified magwell adaptors or "dual use" magazines.
it's really getting ridiculous and at some point is surely to bite us collectively in the azz.

Yes, lots of businesses looking to capitalize on the inflated price of the mags and many gun owners willing to pay a premium for them. But when it comes down to time and money to get the law changed it is all like

 

[daniel_250r]

I need these for bump firing

 

[hbean]

Do you have any documentation from the RCMP to show this, because the SFSS say something a little different.

No where in my previous post did I say the Alexander Arms OEM mags are legal

RCMP-SFSS more than likely took measurements of the body, feed lips and the follower before they made that statement, personally I have never seen a actual AA mag until a couple weeks ago, all that time I thought the OEM mags had a flat follower like the SOCOM 458 follower without the half dummy round, I was really skeptical about the legality of possessing them.

When the idea of using using Beowulf mags with 223/556 first surfaced, I predicted it wouldn't last long, because every other time when a grey area of the law is exploited and becomes too wide spread, it just forces to the RCMP to look at it more closely and make an actual clarification and that is never in our advantage.

 

[Brian46]

No where in my previous post did I say the Alexander Arms OEM mags are legal

not sure what your previous post was about then if all the mags the RCMP have had submitted are said to be prohibited. Which includes the OEM 50 Beowulf and 458 Socom mags (if there is such a thing as OEM for mags?)

 

[hbean]

not sure what your previous post was about then if all the mags the RCMP have had submitted are said to be prohibited. Which includes the OEM 50 Beowulf and 458 Socom mags (if there is such a thing as OEM for mags?)

User beware! Don't assume it is legal just because somebody is selling it or bunch of people on the internet are using it.

 

[Brian46]

User beware! Don't assume it is legal just because somebody is selling it or bunch of people on the internet are using it.

That is true, as we can see with the Swiss arms and 858 fiasco it is not the dealers and importers being held accountable, it is us, the end users the RCMP will levy the penalty on.

 

[Beav]

BBB is valid, OEM Beowulf mags only comes in capacity of 4 and the mag bodies are manufactured to that length, for any company start importing and selling Beowulf mags that is crimped, pinned or block to 5 rounds or even worse 5.5 rounds, is like playing with fire with people's lives.

Check your info on Alexander Arms web site - mags come in 4,7 and 10 round.