50 Bw mags things are getting stupid
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Once again you don,t get it.
This has nothing to d0 with my company, its about the members here, I have been with GGN since before the begining. Close to 15yrs now ,many pepople here are some f my best friends.
The downside of being a dealer here is, being unable to post how one feels about a hot topic without people thinking its some kinda dealer war.
I really speak out, but as someoone that does make standard cap mags for semi auto shotguns, I feel I have an understanding.
The people that will take the biggest hit if "ANY" mag is nooot legal will be the members here noot the retailers.
Soometimes its just got to be said.
Ill sit back and wait for the infractions.
BBB
This is a confusing issue, as is the law. If the currently available metal Beowulf mags are repurposed 223 mags, that is a major issue... But at what stage do you define manufactured for? In my understanding, one could manufacture a magazine from parts that may be used to also manufacture another magazine so that alone I don't see as illegal. Also there are lot of examples where two functionally identical items are differentiated soley by their packaging and manufacturer indicated usage rather than mechanical differences (bx-25 vs Butler Creek, any pistol Mag, etc).
For me the question is, even if they have used parts from a 223 mag to manufacture a 50 Beowulf mags, does that matter? For me the answer is depends on who is doing it. If ever charged one would have to rely on the company for additional communication and materials. It needs to be a reputable outfit that is still around and able to support you.
I appreciate the information and debate, but let's not imply that they are illegal.
For me the question is, even if they have used parts from a 223 mag to manufacture a 50 Beowulf mags, does that matter? For me the answer is depends on who is doing it. If ever charged one would have to rely on the company for additional communication and materials. It needs to be a reputable outfit that is still around and able to support you.
I appreciate the information and debate, but let's not imply that they are illegal.
Who have these people actually spoken/emailed with at C Products?
Could it be possible they are just front line service desk employees that were never informed of a one off run of custom gear headed for international markets? I have no idea how C Products operates as a company but surly its reasonable that the employee contacted simply didn't know any better?
Unless someone near the top of the chain was involved, then I guess that possibility is out the window!
Or, tinfoil hat time, perhaps they know full well the dance that must be done when sending "sensitive" mags to Canada and are being overly cautious when dealing with Joe Blow poking their noses around? You could be a CBC reporter trying to dig up dirt and scuttle the entire operation!
Loose lips sink ships... what mags?
a 900 grain .50 cal that can be fired from an AR15?
With the amount of powder that could be stuffed into a case capacity small enough to make room for that much lead, it would take the term 'mouse fart load' to a new level lol
Yeah...reminds me of that ammo company last year that was selling stuff they didn't have. I'll thank Simon for his skepticism.
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If that is what you want to base a potential legal defence on then power to you. Hard to say "what mags" when the officer stops you with them in your possession. Ever want to get off a ride at the amusement park?
Your post is the definition of blissfully and willfully unaware. Both things that can find one in an uphill battle in court.
And if it does wind you up in court, do you think any one who sold you those mags will be there to support you? Nope. They will be standing back in the shadows waiting to see where the chips fall. You'll be their guinea pig. Their litmus test.
And you will have eagerly paid for the chance. In more ways than once.
Or maybe I'm wrong. Your call on the coin toss.
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No, I think you misunderstand me, the "what mags" was not me claiming ignorance to a LEO but C Products talking with whom ever has contacted them to inquire about these mysterious mags!
I was simply musing if C Products has chosen to keep their mouths shut now that people are asking ticklish questions.
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onetwentyish
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Very suprised you would make such a bold statement Simon. Are these the same C-products .50beo mags just about every other site sponsor has pre-orders out for?
I have to do some more research, but if these are the same mags you are looking at making that statement I believe you are 100% wrong, and the fudd level is rirunnning high this time of month.
I am all about being legal and being spendy to do it if I have to (same reasons I have a NR Tav and a NR ACR and 10 Alexander Arms .50 Beo mags and I am NOT just having my fun with a cheap restricted black rifle and normal but illegal full 30 pmags on the farm) but however, cheaper options is always good as I have recently severely damaged a number of my $100 .50beo mags.
I can tell you right now that the AA .50 beo mags (both metal and polymer) are nothing special other than someone "turned the machine off", added the new caliber stamps, and "turned the machine back on again".
The metal AA mags are the exact same as any other aluminum USGI piece of #### mag that have no anti-tilt follower, with the exception of the new "AA .50BW" stamps.
The Polymer AA beowulf mags are no different then the normal CAA 5/30 5.56 AR mags than that they come with the new AA logo where CAA used to be stamped, and they alsohave the feed-lip remarked .50 Beowulf. The original AA Polymer mags even used to come with anti tilt followers until they started trimming them for reliability reasons.
In my opinion, as long as they leave the factory with there caliber identity chosen, it should not be a problem as long as there is a firearm that will accept these mags in the caliber they were designed for with out modification.
Many manufacturers produce mags that do not have a good reliability track reccord, why would/should C-Products .50beo mags w/ anti-tilt followers be any different?
I have to do some more research, but if these are the same mags you are looking at making that statement I believe you are 100% wrong, and the fudd level is rirunnning high this time of month.
I am all about being legal and being spendy to do it if I have to (same reasons I have a NR Tav and a NR ACR and 10 Alexander Arms .50 Beo mags and I am NOT just having my fun with a cheap restricted black rifle and normal but illegal full 30 pmags on the farm) but however, cheaper options is always good as I have recently severely damaged a number of my $100 .50beo mags.
I can tell you right now that the AA .50 beo mags (both metal and polymer) are nothing special other than someone "turned the machine off", added the new caliber stamps, and "turned the machine back on again".
The metal AA mags are the exact same as any other aluminum USGI piece of #### mag that have no anti-tilt follower, with the exception of the new "AA .50BW" stamps.
The Polymer AA beowulf mags are no different then the normal CAA 5/30 5.56 AR mags than that they come with the new AA logo where CAA used to be stamped, and they alsohave the feed-lip remarked .50 Beowulf. The original AA Polymer mags even used to come with anti tilt followers until they started trimming them for reliability reasons.
In my opinion, as long as they leave the factory with there caliber identity chosen, it should not be a problem as long as there is a firearm that will accept these mags in the caliber they were designed for with out modification.
Many manufacturers produce mags that do not have a good reliability track reccord, why would/should C-Products .50beo mags w/ anti-tilt followers be any different?
you don't want a 900 grain projectile for your AR15?
Intent at the original time of manufacture is what's at issue I believe.
If a manufacturer does a run of let's say 500 mags and designates mag 1-250 as .223 and designates mags 250-500 as .50BW then the original design, intent and manufacture is that of .50BW for magazines 250-500 and those magazines would fall the legal side of things in my interpretation.
If that manufacturer or any other took magazines that were originally "designed" and designated to be manufactured as .223 and then were subsequently redesignated or remanufactured (disassembled, re-stamped and re-built) to be .50BW magazines then these magazines would be prohibited devices.
Is this splitting hairs and retarded? Yup. But it's the way it is under the system we're stuck with IMO.
Feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong.
If a manufacturer does a run of let's say 500 mags and designates mag 1-250 as .223 and designates mags 250-500 as .50BW then the original design, intent and manufacture is that of .50BW for magazines 250-500 and those magazines would fall the legal side of things in my interpretation.
If that manufacturer or any other took magazines that were originally "designed" and designated to be manufactured as .223 and then were subsequently redesignated or remanufactured (disassembled, re-stamped and re-built) to be .50BW magazines then these magazines would be prohibited devices.
Is this splitting hairs and retarded? Yup. But it's the way it is under the system we're stuck with IMO.
Feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong.
How do we, as a customer, know the difference if a supplier is selling them as intended .50?
whiteoutjeeper
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That's the problem though. There is no physical difference in the magazine case, only the stamp and pin location. Since the design of a Beowulf mag calls for a different pin location, you could defend that there is a fundamental design difference between it and a 5.56 mag that is designed with a pin further up the mag body.
On a personal level I don't disagree with you. That being said I can well imagine what the interpretation of the CFO's and the RCMP would be.... A Judge might see it differently but I don't want to be the test case.
Where, other than Canada is a shooter required to use magazines with mechanically reduced capacity? Nowhere. Where in Canada are AR aluminum mag bodies made? Nowhere. These mags are limited by crimping and marked with cheap engraving, this is the same crap the guy out here was pulling with 30 round mags crimped to five and laser engraved "pistol mag". It's BS and someone with less knowledge than BBB might fall for it and get a very large legal bill for his/her trouble. Is it worth it to shoot 16 rounds instead of 10 - really? Thanks BBB.
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California. New York. And other states.
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The problem is, C-Products mags, and those specifically being sold as C Product mags have had doubt cast upon them by C-Products staff themselves. There in lies the problem.
The followers, springs and floor plates don't matter. The mag body is the mag, and that matters as far as what is was first intended to be used for by the manufacture upon being manufactured.
I really wish these stupid mag laws would disappear. The amount of bandwith being sucked alone up is ridiculously stupid, let alone the fact the impact of the law is only felt by lawful shooters.
Are full mags not grandfathered, and new ones production date marked? In NY does it not say that you can't load more than 7, but it says nothing about having that capacity available in the magazine - there was a guy charged for loading more than the permitted capacity, but not for possessing the capability to.
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