$500 Swiss Arms rifles WTB ad?

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mildcustom2 said:
X2 well said Blaxsun

Responsible firearm ownership doesn't end at how we conduct ourselves in the use if our firearms but also in the way we are willing to treat each other. No wonder the government treats us all like criminals when so many are prepared to potentially rip off another firearm owner.
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blaxsun said:
lol. ;) Oh wait, you were serious. Isn't this why we nurture, er... shelter, er... ignore scammers? ;)

So yes, x3.
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Aren't you just back from an,um, cgn vacation ? Let's all play nice.
 
cr5 said:
Just think of the money you could make on those ones ;) An actual picture of the exact mag will get you 5% more and a faster sale because then the buyer knows exactly what he's getting.
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You think, lol? Maybe I can trade some PMAGs for gold bullion... :D

nntw said:
Aren't you just back from an,um, cgn vacation ?
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Vacation, exodus... what's the difference, right? ;)
 
Epoxy7 said:
Well let me count the wrong in your post. First off yes the amount of Swiss Arms for sale did spike. I check the EE daily, sometimes more. It was noticed.

Here's my argument against what you have posted:
1) I made a price that I knew I would never get called on. I have bought things on the EE I have a pretty good idea of the price zones where someone will tell you to go pound sand or possibly consider it. $500 was meant to ensure I didn't get taken up on the offer. I was actually worried someone might take me up on it and if bound to honour it as per the EE then I would essentially be losing $500. Hence why it was $500 not $1000 or my personal more realistic assessment of $1500 as I couldn't afford to lose $1000 and I really had no intention of having to buy one.
2) My PMs prove my intent. Including all responses I made to PMs most of which were actually positive. I made it clear in every one that this was a public service announcement rather than any capitalist venture. I have already stated, Admin/mods are welcome to audit those pms and let you guys know whether what I'm saying is correct or not. If I couldn't back up what I was saying this would be a stupid move.
3) If I actually took people up on $500 Swiss Arms rifle I could be subject to discipline under the RCMP Act if a complaint was made. I'm pretty sure they would consider it a conflict of interest and possibly a breach of public trust etc.
4) I frankly could make a number of phone calls and most likely get up to date information on the status of these rifles. I do have some connections. Again see #3.
5) Read my posts. I seem to spend a lot of time trying to help or at least provide some insight from what I know of products etc. Does someone trying to screw others and look out for #1 do this? Look at my post count. Is this consistent with your beliefs?

I find this very interesting. At first I figured everyone got the point of the ad. When I received a number of PMs complimenting me on my capitalist venture and had to respond that this wasn't the purpose it became clear that the message wasn't as obvious as I thought.

Bottom line I don't have any issues with people taking risk and trying to make some money. None at all. That being said I have and always do believe the best business deals are those where both sides are happy. Plus while it's not in my nature to take advantage like that, I could also face discipline at work.

Now let's also look at the prospect of it going prohibited. Which frankly I believe at this time is a very real possibility. In fact the decision was already made. The venders were given what amounts to an appeal period. So now you're presenting information to counter what a firearms expert has determined. It's an uphill battle. I'm hopeful but the percentages are against it. Which brings us to one more point. If they go prohibited I can not bury mine, lose it etc. Not only would I risk the minimum sentence but they would add on breach of public trust for the sentencing along with the loss of my employment. No doubt various charges under the RCMP act as well. Plus they would be very gung ho to make an example of me to show the public how no one is above the law. I wouldn't rule out a "special prosecutor". I'd be done. I'm not risking a 90-100K a year job and going to prison as an ex cop. It's not going to happen. So I'd simply lose the rifle and the money. Considering I put it against us in the 90 percents and already stand to lose a 3K rifle, I'm not planing on losing anymore.

Bottom line think what you want. I know what the intentions were I can prove it and I'm a bit surprised at the assumption. It's interesting to see who your friends are when people think you're down.
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Like I said in my post that is how it came across to me reading your ad. Thank you for your explanation.
 
Gotta agree with Blaxsun.

'Really not much grey area or room for interpretation - it's pretty obvious the case has been made by the RCMP, and it is up to SAN to refute it.

I understand docs are in and the gears are turning - it's now an engineering / design issue, no room for interpretation there.

Engineering / Design = math = Decisive Outcome

Abby
 
So in other words, if I bought one used, and wasn't internet savy, I'd be in illegal possession of a prohibited firearm without my knowledge. Brilliant.
 
I would not pay anywhere close to what the Swiss Arms rifles are selling for($3400..lol), that gun is way over priced as it is for one thing, and in my mind the RCMP will and have the power to classify that rifle anyways they please, If I were a betting man I would wager that the hammer will fall on that rifle and prices will drop like Icarus falling from the sky and the RCMP is the sun which is melting Swiss Arms wings..
 
AFisher said:
Just currious, with this being an unrestricted, mostly unregistered gun, how exactly does the govt plan on finding everyone who has one?
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They don't really need to. But when one surfaces, you can bet the owner will be pretty unhappy.
 
AFisher said:
Just currious, with this being an unrestricted, mostly unregistered gun, how exactly does the govt plan on finding everyone who has one?
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There's an up-to-date database for all the Carbines and CQBs, and where exactly do you plan to shoot your (now) prohibited firearm? You won't have a license or valid ATT, so that eliminates any authorized ranges. If it's prohibited, there may be a one-time compensation offer as well. So given the choice of turning in a prohibited firearm for full reimbursement vs. potentially 5 years and the loss of your firearms collection, what would the smart play be here?

tiriaq said:
They don't really need to. But when one surfaces, you can bet the owner will be pretty unhappy.
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That's putting it mildly... ;)
 
blaxsun said:
There's an up-to-date database for all the Carbines and CQBs, and where exactly do you plan to shoot your (now) prohibited firearm? You won't have a license or valid ATT, so that eliminates any authorized ranges. If it's prohibited, there may be a one-time compensation offer as well. So given the choice of turning in a prohibited firearm for full reimbursement vs. potentially 5 years and the loss of your firearms collection, what would the smart play be here?
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Blaxsun is right.

That gun is not even worth the $500 now, it's a huge gamble...
 
The problem is, its all up to the RCMP, I really don't see anyway out of this one....

What are our property rights on this again???

Order in Council???

Will Harper intervene??

Perhaps the RCMP will drag their feet on this till Trudeu gets his shot at winning the election...
 
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