500 yards with a .308? possible?

I competed as a kid. Best my 308 turned out a couple of times was a 12" grouping of 10 rounds at 1400 meters. Granted, I was shooting 300 rounds a day for practice back then. There are shooters turning out much smaller groups with the gear available today. The 308 makes a beautiful long range cartridge.

Simplified, think carefully about your build, develop a load, and practice.

Don't jump into something quickly based on a magazine article or casual comment. Do the research on what you want. Buy good kit. Spend plenty of hours at the range and carry a range finder in the field.
 
I had a .308 for years, it wouldn't hit anything beyound 300 yards...

It was hitting something, somewhere, eventually. If it isn't hitting what/where you want, you just haven't figured it out yet. Got someone to spot for you? If the holes aren't on the paper, you probably need someone else to observe the fall of shot while your sight picture is disturbed by the recoil, so you can make the necessary adjustments to get back on target.
 
sight adjustments

I don't care to be turning my scope 15+ notches to go from 300 to 500 yards? I'd like a flat shooter. Whats a nice scope for longer ranges?

The truth is, you are going to have to adjust your sights if you want to shoot accurately at various ranges. All the best and most expensive equipment in the world will not be of any use if YOU can not shoot it properly. And that takes a lot of range practice.

And don't forget about the wind. It blows from all directions, with differing velocities downrange, and if you are shooting long range, it can even vary direction between you and the target. Anyone who has shot at Camp Perry, with those fishtailing, various intensity winds coming off Lake Erie will readily agree.

If there is a magical formula for long range precision shooting, it is practice.

Unless, of course, you can find some Laser Weapons left over from the Star Wars movies.
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The way to get good at long range shooting is by long range shooting. You'll quickly discover that 500 yards is just the start of long range. It takes a solid investment in time, money, and perseverance to reach a level of competence.

That is not to say that you need to spend a fortune on your rifle, I started long range shooting with M-17 Enfield in .30/06 with a 3-9X Bushnell scope. Essentially the .308 and the .30/06 are ballistically identical with bullet weights below 180 grs, but you can't skimp on your ammo. Factory match is stupid expensive, I shot factory Lapua match for a while, so believe me when I say you must handload. Anyway, with my surplus rifle and cheap scope, it wasn't long before I was ringing steel over 800 yards away, and knocking the plates down just often enough to encourage me to get a real target rifle and a more suitable scope. I badly wanted to be able to dial in the range and hold dead on, rather than setting up an aiming target high above my impact target. Due to the modifications I had to make to the rifle due to misaligned mounting holes, shimming the base was not possible.

I went through a number of .308s; a Mauser with a long heavy Sportco barrel, a Tikka Continental, and a couple of 700s, but for one reason or another, they didn't quite do it, so finally I invested in a custom rifle. From the Bushnell hunting scope on the Enfield, I progressed to a 12X Leupold then to a 6.5-20X. From the Leupold's I took a step down in magnification and tried an old steel 6X Khales sniper with a cam that matched the trajectory of a 168 gr MK at 2600. This scope allowed me to dial in out to 600+ and I still have that scope. From the Khales I tried a Springfield Professional 6.5-20X56, a really big scope that allowed me to finally dial in the range I wanted, but more importantly, taught me how big an impact even slight canting can have on group size at long range. The Springfield has a bubble level at the bottom of the reticle. But I still wasn't happy, as the preciseness of the Springfield's adjustments weren't consistent, so I finally upgraded to a S&B PM II. Now when I adjust 1 CM, I get a true value on the target, and I get all of the elevation adjustment in a single turn of the turret. Where I could walk my rounds onto the 12" steel plates with the '06, resulting in more grazing hits that knock downs, I could now make cold bore dead center hits on clay birds. When the range is too great to hold dead on with the scope adjusted for maximum range, I have 4 mildots below the reticle center that provide an additional 14.4 MOA.

Now due to the fact that this is the hunting and sporting arms section rather than the precision rifle section, I assume you intend to shoot game at long range. If that is your intention, your first step is to learn long range marksmanship. The second step must be to select a rifle that has greater down range performance; as a game cartridge the .308 is about out of steam at a quarter mile. A .300 magnum isn't a bad cartridge, but one of the big case .338s is better, but not better to learn with, so for now stick with your .308.
 
500 yard beginner rig?

Savage 10fp in 308, or precision carbine, high price of $800 (estimate) add another $800 bushnell 4200 6-24x50 tactical scope, add another $100 for good burris signature zee rings...go nuts and have fun! That rig would teach you how good YOU can shoot.

Excellent advice. Buy one of these rifles, bed it and put good glass on it and it will outshoot most of the shooters.

I don't care to be turning my scope 15+ notches to go from 300 to 500 yards? I'd like a flat shooter. Whats a nice scope for longer ranges?

You specify the .308, then want to defy the laws of physics? A flat trajectory means nothing for target shooting, you simply work out your come up, dial it in and shoot.

How much do you have to spend on the glass? Figure on at least the same as you spent on the rifle as a baseline. The Bushnell 4200 mentioned above is OK and Mystic Precision has Sightron scopes for the same kind of money that are getting good reviews.

Mark
 
The way to get good at long range shooting is by long range shooting. You'll quickly discover that 500 yards is just the start of long range. It takes a solid investment in time, money, and perseverance to reach a level of competence.

That is not to say that you need to spend a fortune on your rifle, I started long range shooting with M-17 Enfield in .30/06 with a 3-9X Bushnell scope. Essentially the .308 and the .30/06 are ballistically identical with bullet weights below 180 grs, but you can't skimp on your ammo. Factory match is stupid expensive, I shot factory Lapua match for a while, so believe me when I say you must handload. Anyway, with my surplus rifle and cheap scope, it wasn't long before I was ringing steel over 800 yards away, and knocking the plates down just often enough to encourage me to get a real target rifle and a more suitable scope. I badly wanted to be able to dial in the range and hold dead on, rather than setting up an aiming target high above my impact target. Due to the modifications I had to make to the rifle due to misaligned mounting holes, shimming the base was not possible.

I went through a number of .308s; a Mauser with a long heavy Sportco barrel, a Tikka Continental, and a couple of 700s, but for one reason or another, they didn't quite do it, so finally I invested in a custom rifle. From the Bushnell hunting scope on the Enfield, I progressed to a 12X Leupold then to a 6.5-20X. From the Leupold's I took a step down in magnification and tried an old steel 6X Khales sniper with a cam that matched the trajectory of a 168 gr MK at 2600. This scope allowed me to dial in out to 600+ and I still have that scope. From the Khales I tried a Springfield Professional 6.5-20X56, a really big scope that allowed me to finally dial in the range I wanted, but more importantly, taught me how big an impact even slight canting can have on group size at long range. The Springfield has a bubble level at the bottom of the reticle. But I still wasn't happy, as the preciseness of the Springfield's adjustments weren't consistent, so I finally upgraded to a S&B PM II. Now when I adjust 1 CM, I get a true value on the target, and I get all of the elevation adjustment in a single turn of the turret. Where I could walk my rounds onto the 12" steel plates with the '06, resulting in more grazing hits that knock downs, I could now make cold bore dead center hits on clay birds. When the range is too great to hold dead on with the scope adjusted for maximum range, I have 4 mildots below the reticle center that provide an additional 14.4 MOA.

Now due to the fact that this is the hunting and sporting arms section rather than the precision rifle section, I assume you intend to shoot game at long range. If that is your intention, your first step is to learn long range marksmanship. The second step must be to select a rifle that has greater down range performance; as a game cartridge the .308 is about out of steam at a quarter mile. A .300 magnum isn't a bad cartridge, but one of the big case .338s is better, but not better to learn with, so for now stick with your .308.

Pretty sage advice there.

I have shot some at distance and have been known to bang a gong or two at 500.

I agree with these guys, good equipment and technology will aid in distance shooting, but practice is irreplaceable.

I could likely kill critters at that distance with some reliability, but the reality is that I respect them too much to want to chance a gut shot critter escaping. Not that the same thing can't happen at close range, just that chances increase at distance...

I sure like to "kill" paper and steel at that distance though :)
 
Good info Boomer,

69mustang,
A lot of guys hate muzzle brakes, but for long range practice it would tame your rifle down to less than 308Win recoil levels.
As Boomer mentioned a 300Win is a better choice for hunting (at the ranges you are talking about) than the 308Winchester.
Cost of reloading the 300Win is 1/2 that of the big 338's...Something to keep in mind.

The scope is key.
Probably the best bang for you dollar in a long range hunting scope would be Leupold.

Shoot lots and shoot often. :)
 
Good info Boomer,

69mustang,
A lot of guys hate muzzle brakes, but for long range practice it would tame your rifle down to less than 308Win recoil levels.
As Boomer mentioned a 300Win is a better choice for hunting (at the ranges you are talking about) than the 308Winchester.
Cost of reloading the 300Win is 1/2 that of the big 338's...Something to keep in mind.

The scope is key.
Probably the best bang for you dollar in a long range hunting scope would be Leupold.

Shoot lots and shoot often. :)

Out too 500 yards a 308 will kill anything a 300 will...
 
5oo yrds with a .308 is what I would call good practice shooting.

It is what I think most would consider a an extended range shot, but maybe not long range shooting. Tight groups at 500 yrds is the way to start and then think about game, or 700 yrds if you're just shooting targets...

There are many options to get you shooting at 500 yrds with a .308...

Too many to name almost.

I have no doubt that for $1000 - $1500 you could be doing it with consistency, and throw a bit more money at and you will be doing it with a bit more accuracy.

Reloading will be your friend, as will be a good rest and a decent trigger...

I just hunt a lot, not a major marksman or shooter, and I shoot to 500 yrds with a 7mm-08.


Good Luck !
 
I own a 300 mag. that I can make the shot at, but the recoil is scary even with a recoil pad!

.300 Win mag is still a small caliber in the grand scheme of things, the strong end of light. If you can't handle it with practice, get a reloading set up and down load to .308 ballistics. You'll get a hell of a reloading setup for the price of a new .308, and be better off for it.
 
I notice a trend here. Often successful long range shooters start with a good 7mm-(insert favored round)-308 and master it, before moving onto more flat shooting cartridges.
IMHO, starting with a 300 Win Mag, will surely rattle your teeth loose, and burn out a barrel at least, before you've mastered long range rifle practice and reading the wind.
Fine if you're not recoil sensitive and love throwing cash away.

my two cents
 
Just build your own like this guy did....and then set a world record.

John Lewis Shoots 0.386" Group at 600 Yards with Home-built Gun

Terry Brady reports that on Saturday at the Oak Ridge (TN) IBS registered Benchrest match, John Lewis shot a spectacular 0.386″ 5-shot group in Heavy Gun Class. When certified, this substantially lowers the existing record (currently held by Brady.) A 0.386″ group at 600 yards is the equivalent of 0.0614 MOA. John shot the group with a wood and metal-stocked gun he built himself. It is chambered in .308 Win. John was shooting a Lapua 155gr bullet. Amazingly this record was set with a “second-hand” 14-twist barrel John acquired many years ago for just $50.00.
 
Out too 500 yards a 308 will kill anything a 300 will...

Never said it wouldn't.
That said (bullet performance wise) the 308 win goes to sleep at about 500 yards.

Loaded to the max the slipperiest 308Win bullets cross the 500 yard mark at just over 1800fps...Hardly stellar for bullet expansion wouldn't you agree?

Choose the wrong bullet and a modest load and I guarantee a pinhole in the animal. A 180 Hornady spire point leaving at 2600fps will do just that 500 yards out.

The 300Win and a 200gr Accubond holds 2200fps which is well inside the performance envelope of most modern bullets.

Doesn't that make it a better 500 yards selection?
 
Thought we were on a target subject, not animals.:confused:




Never said it wouldn't.
That said (bullet performance wise) the 308 win goes to sleep at about 500 yards.

Loaded to the max the slipperiest 308Win bullets cross the 500 yard mark at just over 1800fps...Hardly stellar for bullet expansion wouldn't you agree?

Choose the wrong bullet and a modest load and I guarantee a pinhole in the animal. A 180 Hornady spire point leaving at 2600fps will do just that 500 yards out.

The 300Win and a 200gr Accubond holds 2200fps which is well inside the performance envelope of most modern bullets.

Doesn't that make it a better 500 yards selection?
 
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