5kg of ammo

maurice said:
going via continental....we already have to pay per bag/suitcase....so trimming it down to 1 good sized bag each.
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Mo - that likely means you're flying through Newark.

In Newark, TSA will open your bags there to check your guns DESPITE being completely checked here by CATSA & US Customs. Make sure your pistol case and luggage has TSA locks on them so they can do it without calling you or worse - breaking your case to get to them. I know this by multiple experiences;

I once did not, and I was called to leave the secure side of the airport, only to find them breaking parts of my hard case bag while trying to get to the gun. I was lucky to have enough time between connecting flights to deal with it.

Also Dad did not once and they pried open his gun case to squeeze the gun out (they did not call him) and back in and in the process broke an OKO scope.

TSA keyed locks aren't expensive - you can get them at Bentley and other luggage places.
 
thanks again Sean....I just went out and bought some TSA locks to replace the new ones I bought from CT.....argh. Well, I have 4 new sets of locks! LOL.
 
maurice said:
thanks again Sean....I just went out and bought some TSA locks to replace the new ones I bought from CT.....argh. Well, I have 4 new sets of locks! LOL.
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No problem. Newark International Airport is a special kind of crap-hole; but it's convenient & cheap for us on the east coast... :rolleyes:
 
yeah...they looked at my guns in Newark....i know this as one of my locks was not put back on and just thrown in the bag. IN Halifax, the large female US Customs officer bent the lock, and then used pliers to fix it. Airport security said...."just leave your paperwork in the gun case " at check in....made my flight with less than 10 minutes to spare. They had to wait until my baggaged was on before the plane took off. LOL
 
D_ said:
Hotels will charge for this. American Shooters are accepting ammo at no charge.
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I guess I got lucky, the Tropicana only charged me $5.;) I think the AA 9mm is made with CCI primers,...as they shipped my ammo is an old primer box.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
FWIW - In 20 years of flying with ammo and guns, my ammo has never been weighed.

Secondly, the 5KG rule is an airline rule, not a law - so if you get caught overweight - you piss off the airline and loose some ammo, but you don't go to jail, get fined, or anything else.

Last year, my 4 year old daughter declared 5KG of ammo (to the airline) in her bag going to the monster match. No issues. Your wife has nothing to be concerened with.
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Sir, you're partially mistaken, 5kg of ammo constitutes dangerous goods on aircraft, consequently it is an offense to be improperly transporting dangerous goods.

Transport Canada

with the approval of the operator(s), as checked baggage only, securely packaged cartridges (UN 0012 or UN 0014 only), in Division 1.4S, in quantities not exceeding 5 kg gross mass per person for that person's own use, excluding ammunition with explosive or incendiary projectiles. Allowances for more than one person must not be combined into one or more packages:"
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UN 0012 is Small Arts Cartridges either Shotgun or .50 cal or less. This is a International Civil Aviation Organization directive for the 5 kg, that Transport Canada accepted in their regulations. Note, it's the cartridges, not the container, so you have some wiggle room for weight.

But, there is the regulations, the OP's wife should feel completely confident in carrying her ammunition as long as it's in a seperate bag (i.e. note the "Allowances for more than one person must not be combined into one or more packages") I've only ever been asked the weight of ammunition I'm checking onto the plane, and it's always been "sounds like you know our regulations better than we do, along you go".


The thing that got me almost in trouble is you're only allowed to transport 150kg of ammunition in a road vehicle, not so good when you're moving your Grandfathers inheretence that contains a very avid and active shooters 'couple years stock' of ammunition clearest english link that I can find, bottom of page 9, top of page 10
 
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Oborous said:
Sir, you're partially mistaken, 5kg of ammo constitutes dangerous goods on aircraft, consequently it is an offense to be improperly transporting dangerous goods.

Transport Canada



UN 0012 is Small Arts Cartridges either Shotgun or .50 cal or less. This is a International Civil Aviation Organization directive for the 5 kg, that Transport Canada accepted in their regulations. Note, it's the cartridges, not the container, so you have some wiggle room for weight.

But, there is the regulations, the OP's wife should feel completely confident in carrying her ammunition as long as it's in a seperate bag (i.e. note the "Allowances for more than one person must not be combined into one or more packages") I've only ever been asked the weight of ammunition I'm checking onto the plane, and it's always been "sounds like you know our regulations better than we do, along you go".


The thing that got me almost in trouble is you're only allowed to transport 150kg of ammunition in a road vehicle, not so good when you're moving your Grandfathers inheretence that contains a very avid and active shooters 'couple years stock' of ammunition clearest english link that I can find, bottom of page 9, top of page 10
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thanks Newbie...your google-fu skills are wanker:HR:
 
Westjet has updated their online policy to make what has always been the intent of the policy more clearer. The policy always just said the firearms and ammo needed to be in separate containers, but as discussed, some agents take this to mean separate checked baggage.

http://www. westjet.com/guest/en/travel/basics/baggage/sport-equipment.shtml#firearms

Ammunition must be:

* Securely packaged and packed separately from the firearm, however it is permitted to be transported within the same container.
* Carried in sturdy baggage not weighing more than 5 kg (11 lb.) gross weight per person (excluding ammunition with explosive or incendiary projectiles)
* Packaged in the manufacturer's original container or an equivalent sturdy, durable container that provides sufficient cartridge separation

My interpretation is that the 5kg is per person and not per license holder. If my wife is legally allowed to shoot a firearm on a range under my supervision (yes, she will eventually get her license) , then the second 5kg is for her own use as per the Transport Canada regs. Does that sound kosher?
 
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