6.5x57r vs 7x57r
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The 7X57 is ballistically similar to the 7-08, so comparing the 7-08 to the .280, is the age old argument of comparing the .308 to the .30/06... however, in comparing the 7x57 to the 7x64 (65R), you are talking about two cartridges that use the same length action... so the real or perceived benefit of the short action over long action is not present, ergo why not go for the performance edge.
I don't personally have a 7X65R, but I do have a 7X64 Brenneke and it is a terrific cartridge. Ammo is easy to find for either as they are very popular in Europe.
Only 7mm I'm very familiar in use with is the 7mm rem mag however I'm well aware of the 275 Rigby's reputation which is the 7x57 or the 708 ballistically. Haven't played with very many eastern cartridges
The action length is null in this case as it will be a break action gun but I do agree with using proper length cartridges in the matching action lengths
With a low power variable optic like a 1-4x20 and my style of hunting I won't be taking shots over a 100 yards with this gun so I'm inclined to go with the lesser recoil as I'm not sure how my daughter will tolerate recoil if and when she starts hunting. I have other cartridges for longer shots. With this rig I'm looking for fast easy handleling that's capable of taking small game and Ontario big game. Mostly for times when I have time to kill stalking thru the woods by myself
The action length is null in this case as it will be a break action gun but I do agree with using proper length cartridges in the matching action lengths
With a low power variable optic like a 1-4x20 and my style of hunting I won't be taking shots over a 100 yards with this gun so I'm inclined to go with the lesser recoil as I'm not sure how my daughter will tolerate recoil if and when she starts hunting. I have other cartridges for longer shots. With this rig I'm looking for fast easy handleling that's capable of taking small game and Ontario big game. Mostly for times when I have time to kill stalking thru the woods by myself
Is recoil really that different if you are using similar bullet weights? I get that the 7mm will recoil more if loaded with a heavy bullet, but there's lots of 120-140gr options in 7mm that would work great for the game you listed.
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Of your two choices, for the game you mentioned, I'd prefer the 7x57R. The 6.5x57R is a very nice deer cartridge, but for bear and possible moose, the 7x57 is a better choice. I have a couple rifles in 7x57R, and like them, but it's because of the rifles ( Krieghoff drilling and Merkel BBF) not so much the cartridge. I agree with those who suggest the 7x65R. It is the favourite of modern European hunters for a good reason. It is very versatile, fast / flat shooting enough without too much recoil, many companies make a wide variety of ammo, and there is no downside to the slightly longer case in a break action rifle. Many European rifle makers don't even chamber the 7x57R any more, they are going with the 7x65R for the reasons I mentioned.
What make will this rifle be?
I haven't looked for brass for either but 8x57JRS is "easy" to find. Guessing 7x57r is brought in by intersurplus etc
In classic cgn fashion, another vote for 7x65r. It and the 8x57jrs are great "30-06" analogs. 7x65r 175 grains and 8x57 jrs 196 grains seem to be "the" load.
You aren't really missing much by not being able to shoot 196 8mm loadings even if that's what I would (and have) use.
Good diversity of bullet weights for 7mm (and 8mm for that matter).
I haven't looked for brass for either but 8x57JRS is "easy" to find. Guessing 7x57r is brought in by intersurplus etc
In classic cgn fashion, another vote for 7x65r. It and the 8x57jrs are great "30-06" analogs. 7x65r 175 grains and 8x57 jrs 196 grains seem to be "the" load.
You aren't really missing much by not being able to shoot 196 8mm loadings even if that's what I would (and have) use.
Good diversity of bullet weights for 7mm (and 8mm for that matter).
It will be Italian likely FAIR as I've had several conversations with them about their barrel regulating and action sizes. I had originally wanted a 9.3x74r over a 20ga as a do everything in one package but have since been thinking of a small bore over the 20ga.
The 6.5 would allow me to use it is southern Ontario. 7mm would be better for heavier game. Having rifles for coyotes and heavier rifles for bigger game is what leads to the internal conflict of choice. The 6.5s have a great reputation as well as the 7mms. There just really isn't much of a difference in diameter. Brass seems available for both and if I were to buy 300 pieces that would last me a lifetime
The 6.5 would allow me to use it is southern Ontario. 7mm would be better for heavier game. Having rifles for coyotes and heavier rifles for bigger game is what leads to the internal conflict of choice. The 6.5s have a great reputation as well as the 7mms. There just really isn't much of a difference in diameter. Brass seems available for both and if I were to buy 300 pieces that would last me a lifetime
Sounds like the 6.5s is the obvious answer in that situation.
I remember looking pretty hard at a FAIR Iside combo set in Calgary in 2015. I liked the 20ga side of it, nice light gun, but too light for the 30R Blaser barrels that came with it, price was good at 7500, but for the 30R, way too light of a gun. And I didn't especially like the way it was finished on the metalwork, laser engraving was off centered on the sideplate. I have a FAIR Iside 20ga Vintage hammergun, I do find the triggers heavy enough to torque the gun a little.
Don't know what the recoil would be like on it on a 7x57r, but, to be fair, it is a light rifle, and if you want a kid to shoot it, I'd be putting a good pad on it or shooting 120gr in it. Make sure the stock is long enough, mine was a knuckle buster as it was a bit short for me. And make up your mind on what bullet wt you'll be using, they have adj bbls, but it only does so much, and they will regulate it with lasers and factory ammo, so make sure it is ammo with bullets you can get over here, SXS can be fussy about that.
Don't know what the recoil would be like on it on a 7x57r, but, to be fair, it is a light rifle, and if you want a kid to shoot it, I'd be putting a good pad on it or shooting 120gr in it. Make sure the stock is long enough, mine was a knuckle buster as it was a bit short for me. And make up your mind on what bullet wt you'll be using, they have adj bbls, but it only does so much, and they will regulate it with lasers and factory ammo, so make sure it is ammo with bullets you can get over here, SXS can be fussy about that.
It's the over under combo I'm interested in not the sxs. Im hoping this arrangement will be less finicky with loads. FAIR seems to have a good reputation for shotgun patterns matching the rifle poi from what I've read and heard
Ive got a Fair combo in 20 ga, 7x57R. Bought last year, quite a nice gun to have for up here, were the bird and game seasons overlap, i dont usually take it if serious, but always have it, when taking the dog for a walk. Shoots pretty well with 150 gr, but thin rifle barrel so heats and wanders after a few shots.
I am thinking about getting a 20 ga/ .22 hornet barrel.
Also got a Fair safari, SXS with 7x57, and 9.3x74 barrels, and 20 ga, this is my primary upland gun,
I am thinking about getting a 20 ga/ .22 hornet barrel.
Also got a Fair safari, SXS with 7x57, and 9.3x74 barrels, and 20 ga, this is my primary upland gun,
