$6.99 challenger trap on sale @ Cabelas + free shipping of $99

saskbooknut said:
Just be aware.
High velocity, 1400 fps, 1 1/8 oz. trap load recoil in a 7.5 lb. gun is 28.4 foot pounds
Handicap velocity trap loads at 1200 fps, recoil in a 7.5 lb. gun is 21.6 foot pounds.
These high velocity cartridges are more like heavy hunting loads. They will not help your trap scores.
Recoil calculator:
ww.omahamarian.org/trap/shotshellenergy.html
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Not sure what you are comparing here. What you are showing is a typical hunting load. The high velocity loads are 1 oz at 1400 fps and the handicap loads are 1 1/8 oz at 1200. My 3" steel Winchesters are 1 1/8 oz at 1450 fps. I have shot many of these high velocity loads and have noticed zero difference between them and standard target loads.

High velocity load1 oz at 1400 fps in a 7.5 pound gun= 23.4 ft lb recoil
Handicap load 1 1/8 oz at 1200 fps in a 7.5 pound gun= 21.6 ft lb recoil
standard load 1 1/8 oz at 1150 fps in a 7.5 pound gun= 20 ft lb recoil
light load 1 oz at 1150 fps in a 7.5 pound gun= 16.6 ft lb recoil
 
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For anyone shooting ATA those loads would not be allowed.

here it is from the ATA rulebook-
which can be downloaded here-
http://www.shootata.com/rulebook.htm


F. GUNS AND AMMUNITION
Any shooter violating any of these Rules shall be disqualified from
competition in accordance with these Rules. Any such violator shall
be referred to the Executive Committee for possible further disciplinary
action.
A contestant cannot use:


1. A gun with a chamber larger than 12 gauge. Guns of smaller gauges
are permissible in registered and tournament shooting, but no competitive
consideration shall be given in recognition of that fact for
handicap and classification purposes. Only ammunition provided by
the ATA and purchased at the time of entry may be used at, or during,
the Grand American Tournament. A contestant may not use a gun
capable of chambering more than one gauge of shells at the same
time. For example, chambering 12 gauge and 20 gauge shells in the
same gun at the same time is prohibited.


2. Loads that contain nickel or copper coated shot or tracer loads.
However, the use of lead, steel, bismuth, or other composite nontoxic
shot materials shall be allowed. Any gun club allowing shot
materials described in this Rule, other than lead, shall be required to
cover or shield all hard surfaces on trap fields which are known, or
reasonably believed, to cause pellet ricochet with material which will
prevent the shot pellets from rebounding and /or ricocheting.

3. Any load with a velocity greater than 1290 FPS (Feet Per Second)
with maximum shot charge of 1 1/8 ounces (31.89 grams), or 1325
FPS with a maximum shot charge of 1 ounce (28.30 grams), or 1350
FPS with a maximum shot charge of 7/8 ounces (24.80 grams), as
measured in any individual shotshell. These velocities are maximum
and no individual shotshell shall exceed these limits for the designated
shot charge. In addition, no load containing more than 1 1/8
ounces (31.89 grams) or any shot larger than Number 7 1/2 can be
used. Shot charges are maximum and no charge may exceed the
charge amount by more than 3%.


4. Any shell loaded with black powder.
 
I use #4's (20g) exclusively for all my small game hunting. I *HATE* not being able to find the shot in my meals.
With no. 4s, when you skin a rabbit over the sink, it's *plink plink plink* as the shot just falls out. I use em for grouse too, just aim a little high.
 
The point of several comments here is that these high velocity Challenger loads that are on sale are not suitable Trap or Skeet loads except for pasture/informal shooting.
They do have a 10% recoil penalty, even though only one ounce of shot. Thanks for the correction G-man.
I am baffled by the comment that one poster made that he can't tell the difference in recoil between Handicap target loads and High velocity steel duck loads. Only time I don't notice the recoil of High velocity steel is when the birds are feet down and landing in the decoys. On the range, at the pattern board, they are not a lot of fun.
I find that shooting consistency improves with lower recoil cartridges. Its simple really. Recoil effects accumulate over multiple shots.
I can certainly tell the difference in recoil fatigue between 2 3/4 dram Trap loads and 3 dram Trap loads over several boxes.
Novices do even better starting out with reduced recoil loads. Some of us old guys do too.
 
saskbooknut said:
The point of several comments here is that these high velocity Challenger loads that are on sale are not suitable Trap or Skeet loads except for pasture/informal shooting.
They do have a 10% recoil penalty, even though only one ounce of shot. Thanks for the correction G-man.
I am baffled by the comment that one poster made that he can't tell the difference in recoil between Handicap target loads and High velocity steel duck loads. Only time I don't notice the recoil of High velocity steel is when the birds are feet down and landing in the decoys. On the range, at the pattern board, they are not a lot of fun.
I find that shooting consistency improves with lower recoil cartridges. Its simple really. Recoil effects accumulate over multiple shots.
I can certainly tell the difference in recoil fatigue between 2 3/4 dram Trap loads and 3 dram Trap loads over several boxes.
Novices do even better starting out with reduced recoil loads. Some of us old guys do too.
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Yup, well said! Im sure if that poster shot a target load and a high velocity steel duck load out of a 6lbs fixed breech gun, he would certainly feel the difference. And Im not talking about a full game of clays where recoil fatigue sets in, Im talking about 1 single shot. The difference is substantial
 
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