~$600 .223 without optics

I like how you've skewed the numbers and details to suit your argument.

(1) You're comparing a used rifle to the cost of a new one.

If all he is using is the action what difference does it make?

(2) That roughed out Boyd's stock isn't nowhere near $115 to your door.

$59 is the cost for the unfinished stock! It is not even $100 to your door! I bought one! Have you?

(3) The stock Stevens trigger is pure garbage and you pass it off to the equivalent of the Remington's. Therefore you fail to include the cost of an aftermarket trigger in your "build".

No I understand the Rem trigger is better, but as a noob he doesnt need a custom trigger. The timney is $100 that can be picked up down the road. I have shot some amazing groups with just the factory Stevens with a little adjustment it is easy to get the trigger pull way down.

(4) No where have you even mentioned taxes, customs, or duty fees on any of the imported or locally purchased items.

The only imported item is the stock and that is included in my estimate. If the action is used there is no tax, and I included shipping. The barrel is the estimated I got from a dealer here. Add $30 shipping for it if it makes you feel better.

(5) There's absolutely no mention of any gunsmith fees for the barrel installation, trigger job, stock re-finishing, inletting, or bedding. The OP can't even reload ammo yet and you make the assumption he can do all of this on his own? Hell, even experienced shooters on this board are likely to need some gunsmithing at some point during a build even if it is a do-it-yourself affair.

Once again you fail to read! The barrel is $390 installed, and I mentioned $70 to bed if he even wants to do that. Like I said the Remington will not be bedded!

(6) Even with your fuzzy math, it still isn't close to $600 the OP had first mentioned.

It is pretty damn close, and a little more money for a semi custom rifle is a far better choice in my opinion. Yes my opinion.

(7) For a guy who thinks he has the cheap price angle all figured out, you sure blew it on your attempt at valuing a SPS. If you're paying $700-$730 for a SPS, then you're paying WAY too much.

That was figured at $600 -$650 plus tax and shipping. It is $623 at Epps. Which by my Ontario HST math is right on!

Have I made my point clearly enough? And you have the balls to claim some are biased becuase they favour Remingtons? Pffft! Whatever! I'm all for a cost-benefit analysis between competing brands but only if it's done in a fair and accurate way.. Otherwise, it's meaningless

Once again, I have purchased everything you need for this build myself, and was only a PM away from ordering a barrel. So calling my numbers BS is pretty rich considering I am probably the only one here who has actually done everything I say!

Regardless the OP has made up his mind, but I think some of that comes from you guys discouraging him on the build which ticks me off. Regardless for an out of the box rifle the SPS is a good choice, but like I said if he has it in his head he is just gonna upgrade everything later, I would have just done things differently.

To the OP enjoy the Remington. To everyone else, I am not interested in carrying on this debate. I have purchased everything I talked about myself, and have had in the last week had a discussion with a dealer here on barrel pricing and install. I have no interest in arguing this any further.
 
As much as I'd like to do handloading and put together my own rifle, I won't have the time or, more importantly, space to do either. In fact unless I can join a range that has on-site storage I may not be able to bring it to university at all.

I think I'll be going for the 700 SPS Varmint, I was wondering what the difference was between it and the regular SPS and finally figured out it was the barrel. (Is that it?) Now for optics..
 
which dealer here will thread, chamber, crown, install and headspace, and finnish a barrel blank for free?
I need their name!!
I will, just for you, buy a blank and install is free. :eek:

Well just to help the OP out. I have a 1-9 shilen Match bbl in .223 ready to go. I can keep you on budget and shooting with this bbl. I'll do any work you need done for free. PM me for the details if you are interested.

Cheers
 
So Bass Pro has the 700 SPS Varmint for $544.94 after $75 MIR. I thought that the rebate wasn't available in Canada? If it is, I'll be buying one for sure.
 
I will, just for you, buy a blank and install is free. :eek:

Well just to help the OP out. I have a 1-9 shilen Match bbl in .223 ready to go. I can keep you on budget and shooting with this bbl. I'll do any work you need done for free. PM me for the details if you are interested.

Cheers

But the barrel will be pink. :D I will stop with the pink jokes when you send it to someone to finish it.
 
Buy the SPS varmint. Learn to shoot it. It will likely shoot 3/4" or less at 100 easily enough, once you get the shooting part down pat. Enjoy it. Save your money. Make planned upgrades and avoid impulse buys. Try to get into reloading with planned buys of good equipment. If it were me I'd just enjoy shooting my stock SPS varmint and make an excellent cleaning kit my first accessory (after scope) and reloading equipment my first 'upgrade'. Shoot more and spend less. Get your skills up to where they need to be and those equipment upgrades will be more targeted as your skill level will improve and you will develop 'tastes' forged from real world experience.
JMHO.
 
I would handle a Remington and Savage. Pick the one that you like the best. Don't buy anything that you have to take apart from day one and build something else with. Shoot it as is from the factory. If you enjoy the hobby then get a reloading kit and roll your own. It will progress from there. If it's not for you then sell it and move on and your loss will be alot less and the gun will be easier to sell than if you totally revamped it.
I think all the dealers on here should stop jumping on the new people to sell their wares to because they will buy things they absolutely do not need when starting out because the excitement level is high and they are ready to spend money. This seems to be a savage parts thing. I don't hear the parts dealers pointing these new shooters to anything except to things they can make some money on. A huge percentage of guys start out and sell their guns almost right away once the excitement wears off. It's at that time that you know if you like the sport enough to continue. Remington or Savage. It's all good.
As always, this is just my opinion. Everyone has a different one. If I'm wrong then so be it.
 
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